A $1400 24 core processor beats a $1000 18 core processor? Wow!
Intel is also better for low latency audio workloads. Tons of VIs, live instruments, low buffer sizes. 10980XE is literally the best processor for audio production. The multi-die design of TR and Ryzen 9 limits potential performance with small buffer sizes(especially something like 64 samples, even at 44.1KHz resolution). A DSP heavy workload for just mixing and mastering with a larger buffer(512+ samples) would be fine, but you generally don't need a super powerful CPU for mixing with a large buffer.
Most other workloads AMD brings the stomping, but there are still a few cases where Intel is supreme.
HEDT platforms also bring extra features, so it's hard to compared a 3950X apples to apples with a 10940X(god I ******* hate Intel's nomenclature lol).
A few dozen instances of Kontakt, handful of EW Play, a dozen or so instances of Izotope Neutron, 100+ audio/MIDI tracks, hundreds of notes of polyphony, all while tracking live instruments at low latency.
Audio workstations love high end Intel chips, especially when your workflow involves a ton of virtual instruments.
3950X is consumer, not HEDT. Threadripper is now 24 core minimum for $1400 unless you want to buy an outdated design.
The GPU tier I purchased was what was needed for my gaming usage. The rest of the system was centered around AUDIO PRODUCTION. That means, tons of SATA SSDs a few NVMe drives and a high core count CPU. $700 alone is from SSDs(some of which were purchased years ago at higher prices).
Don't know why a bunch of teenagers with gaming PCs insist on telling me how to build an AUDIO rig. Anything higher than a 2070 for my usage is a waste of money.
I don't think you understand what this setup was for lol.
Maybe read next time.
It's going to depend a lot on the specific VIs you use. The Kontakt instruments I use regularly and the libraries I use with EW Play did not like the 3900X. Buffer size I had to use was no fun with guitar amp sims either, too much latency.
The cooler Noctua should have came out with 10 years ago lol.
I returned a 3900X. The multi-die design makes them choke at low buffers.
I might go for 12 instead of 14. Really depends on pricing and availability. Or see if I can snag a used 7980XE for a decent price lol. Delid that sucker.
I myself plan to go that route because Intel is better for audio production.
About the only thing these chips are still good at lol.
Rig I'm using for gaming right now has a 6700K and a 2060 Super. It's not a bad gaming combo, even with a 1440p 144Hz monitor.
I'm looking to combine my audio workstation and gaming PC though, so I've got my eyes on the 10900K if the price is right.
I've never used those monitors specifically, but I will say that if you are sensitive to motion blur, avoid VA panels. I've tried so many different monitors and I still end up going back to TN despite its inherent flaws due to the superior response times.
Are you running Nvidia Surround with games?
Triple monitor setups have a special place in my heart.
Dual GPUs haven't been used with this system for a while. It's core to core latency. All AMD CPUs with cores on multiple dies run into issues with low latency audio production. I really hope Intel doesn't start doing it too in order to get higher core counts.
With your specific workflow you'd probably be fine with a 3900X, at a 512 buffer there's way more headroom than the 9900K. Drop it to 64 and that changes, but since you're not doing any tracking while having CPU heavy VIs, a blank project will leave almost all of the CPU resources to tracking. If you're not tracking with something like an amp sim running, even better.
I use Cubase 10 Pro. I use a lot of CPU heavy VIs at fairly low buffers and also track live instruments(guitars and bass), so for me Ryzen just can't keep up. If you're doing mostly mixing and running a 512+ buffer anyway the CPU will probably be an absolute monster for you. When you're tracking, if you don't also have a bunch of VIs and other CPU heavy stuff going on you will probably be fine as well. Between a fairly CPU heavy drum kit, big orchestral libraries, synths, it was all just to much, even at a 256 buffer. Couldn't even get 512 to be 100% artifact free but there was added latency. My workload needs faster cores unfortunately. I'm really hoping Intel gets smart and drops Cascade Lake X pricing considering the 3950X stomps the whole lineup in most things.
Those were very poor analogies lol.
That unit has a 2 year warranty. If you honestly believe that unit will have the longevity of a quality unit that a company backs with a 10 year warranty you are just insane(though after a second look the Focus Gold have 7, I could have swore I read 10 years somewhere but I was mistaken, point still remains though lol). Plus it's a non-modular unit(have fun stuffing those extra cables somewhere). Not even 80+ White, so who knows what efficiency is like. Depending on how much you use it you may pay the same amount long term(especially if you do manage to make that unit last 10 years).
Blah blah blah, another wall of text because you want to buy cheap units lol. If you really can't afford an extra 20 bucks to get a quality PSU, then maybe you should rethink spending hundreds of dollars on a computer to begin with and balance your budget better.
I would use a $72 unit with a 2200G. The Focus Gold 450.
Well, I would but the sale price has ended apparently.
The people who run this site have more experience with PC building than you and I put together. Make your own website if you think they're wrong.
Lmao it is NOT bad advise to stick to high quality units that come with a 10 year warranty. That's well worth spending an extra $15-20.
I didn't see a question in your rambling. Mainly because I didn't read it. You came back with walls of text, twice now, after simple comments I made just because you feel personally attacked because you spent a little less than I said I would lol. Relax kid.
By the way, that price you mentioned for the S12III was a sale, and they're out of stock lol.
The one listed for me is $72. It's a parametric list based on lowest price in your region.
You're getting really bent out of shape over my advice to stick to high quality units lol.
Seasonic units are generally around the $80 mark...
The Focus Gold 450 is $75...
I honestly just skimmed through most of what you typed because you got ridiculous over nothing.
Because skimping out on a power supply is a very poor decision. The PSUs are from a parametric selection based of certain specs. The one you see is the cheapest option in that range. On my screen it shows a Seasonic Focus Gold 450.
I wouldn't spend a dime under $80 on a PSU if you actually care about your components.
If you're using a 60Hz monitor there is little reason to go all out with the CPU. Any of these CPUs will be fine for a 60Hz display so get whatever saves you the most money.
To get that extra $70 out of people who don't know any better lol. That's literally why it exists.
I'm honestly impressed by your ability to score deals. Plus it looks really nice.
Speaking of V's, I used to have an LTD Alexi-200. Love the Jackson Rhoads, especially with the chrome pick guard. Charvel is another brand I like(since they're basically Jacksons anyway).
I'm with you on that though, if I spend too much time eyeing guitars I'll end up with more. My wish list on zZounds is already 4 pages of guitars haha.
I used to have Roland's cheapest model that was kind of an all in one folding unit. This was like 8 years ago though. I'm not very good at drums so it was something cheap to have fun on. I'll have to keep an eye out for a used kit, it would be fun to start trying to drum again!
Ahh, yeah, then you should be pretty set! Even if you have to increase the buffer it's not a big deal since extra latency doesn't make much difference.
I track guitars and bass so extra latency is super annoying. When I use my MIDI keyboard(Komplete Kontrol S61 MK2) I just quantize it if latency is too bad(or, more likely, my timing sucks lol).
Jealous of that drum kit though. Been wanting a TD-25 for a looong time.
Yeah, when it comes to multitrack DSP this thing will definitely be an absolute monster.
Do you track live instruments? That's been the main thing getting in my way(well, that and the amount of VIs I use) and why I'm strongly considering switching back to Intel chips for my DAW machine.
What buffer size are you able to run with this beast?
You mean like a poor person lol.
What's the matter? Mommy and daddy can't afford anything that costs more than $200?
I can't believe how edgy you are. I literally got cut reading your comments.
My first beer of the night was a Guinness 200th Anniversary Stout haha. Though I'm much more into craft stouts and porters. Guinness was my entry into the world of stouts.
When it comes to guitars though, I'm a huge Jackson fanboy. I've had a few in my time, but right now I just have a Pro Series SL7 Soloist(the one that's my icon, beautiful finish) and a JS series 7 string Dinky. Then I've also got a multi-scale Legator 7 string that I got on clearance. I'm one of those prog metal guys, so I love my extended range.
The headstocks on that Parker is wild though, I love it.
Here's my current collection. I also have a cheap 5 string Ibanez bass. Love natural finishes. https://imgur.com/a/VOcigvS
+1 for guitar.
...Even if it is a Gibson/Epiphone.
Considering Insignia is Best Buy's house brand, I would assume(er...hope) that they have enough sense to make sure it's not a complete piece of garbage or a fire hazard haha.
Super envious that you got a Titan Xp for free.
Ayyyy, finally another audio person on here.
What DAW, plugins and VI's do you use?
Also, that monitor sounds sick as ****. I bet you can fit like, 40+ tracks on screen in your mix console.
Audio production likes RAM.
What's your buffer size? I wasn't very pleased with my 3900X for audio production.
If I remember correctly, certain B85 boards can OC. 5 years ago I realllly wanted to do a emulator build based on a G3258 due to it's impressive overclocking capabilities.
I'm going to use this build as a retort to people who say you can't build a PC worth a **** for under $500.
This is honestly a great budget build. 8GB of RAM is a little iffy, but I doubt you'll have any real problems. I am a little concerned about the quality of an Insignia PSU but...I'm sure you could do much worse. Nice job.
What are those fans? I like them a lot.
Damn, I would have been all over that lol.
You can stop stalking and harassing me now, thanks.
But for the record, this PC hits a minimum of 60 FPS on the TV it's connected to, and a minimum of 80 FPS when using the Oculus Rift S. There was literally no reason at all to use higher speed RAM. If I really wanted to, I could tune them to run faster or with tighter timings. Like I've done with basically all of my other kits.
I log in a few days ago and see you've commented a dozen times on my builds, yet you simply ignore the information I've given you. Why are you so bothered by my decision to return hardware that didn't provide the performance I desired? Because I can afford to buy whatever the **** I want?
Here's a thought: do some research yourself on DAW performance with various CPUs.
Max overclocking potential of a 5700 is much lower than a 2060 Super. I've tested multiple cards first hand and this has been verified by plenty of testers.
And yes, a 2060 SUPER(which gets the same performance as a 2070) can reach performance levels of a 5700 XT. Again, can you not read?
As far as shortening the lifespan of hardware, that's not entirely true. It depends on how much you overclock, how much extra voltage is applied, and how well temperatures are controlled. I've been doing this for a decade, go away.
You literally know nothing about audio production. I've done thousands of hours of research and testing. Also, I had an X570 board, can you not read? It's in the parts list and the pictures lol.
Nobody here is mad, you're just ignorant lol. You can't even read a parts list and you know absolutely nothing about my use case scenario, the requirements, or how various hardware performs. Audio production isn't gaming. It isn't video editing. It isn't like any other type of productivity work. The chip design itself is the reason Ryzen doesn't get the same low latency audio performance as Intel.
Also I DID buy 5700's, 2 of them, and I returned both of them. If it makes you feel any better, I returned a 2060 Super too lol. Stuck with my reference card and returned the EVGA XC Ultra.
False. 5700s run at near peak performance out of the box, which is cool. My 2060 Super, on the other hand, can be overclocked a decent amount(to basically match a 5700XT). I also got 2 free games with it compared to a few months of Xbox Game Pass that the 5700s came with. Hardware Unboxed did a massive 41 game benchmark and found that at stock speeds, the 2060 Super outperforms the 5700. That's stock. I don't run my **** stock lol.
Come back when you've tested even half as much hardware as me and understand my use case scenario. Or I guess you can stalk me some more like a creeper, I don't care lol.