Thou doth protest too much... A mere 27$ Coolermaster EVO 212 I use on my build will rectify this issue rather easily.(and keeps my 860K pretty nice and frosty FWIW) If you're too cheap to buy that after the fact, my suggestion is try getting a job doing a paper route, at the least...
FWIW, a comparatively built i5 setup will STILL cost more than this setup. Intel hardware commands the price premium and always has vs. AMD's. Sure you can build one cheaper than this 860k build, but it will be on general lesser quality hardware too,(with a shorter life-span most likely) therefore you ultimately get what you pay for.
Regardless, get whatever you like. Myself, like others I'm sure, will do the same.
Not sure how you're coming to that conclusion, as it's nothing more than my opinion on the matter. Besides, we all know about opinions, rear orifices, how they stink and all dat sorta jazz...
The bargin here is that is still cheaper than a Intel quad core setup with the same features, performance notwithstanding of course. There is also of the factor of buy once, cry once, as in most cases with low-end boards as I mentioned earlier. You buy a crappy board, be prepared to buy another one in the not-to-distant future in my experience.
Again, wasting money is all in the eye of the beholder and the holder of the wallet, it's what YOU, the buyer want at the end of the day. You can justify your perspective all you want but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter IMHO as most die-hard Intel folks(like some I see here) will never buy an AMD setup anyway...(especially nowadays) So buy whatever you like pal, to me the motherboard was and IS still worth it.
You can't find a better quad core for the money with the 860k IMHO, but PSUs aren't a place to skimp either IMHO. Motherboards and PSUs are two areas I will never skimp on in my experiences over the years, as I've had to replace quite a few of them in my older builds. Learn the hard way I guess...
Overpriced? Compared to the Intel and AM3+ ASUS ROG mobo offerings and their respective prices, it's a bargain. (especially when you see average Intel mobo prices, haha) As the old saying goes, ultimately you get what you pay for, this board is made for overclocking, for gaming and ASUS did not skimp on it's feature set, period.
After running my first SSD in my recent build, I'd almost have to agree... Even if it's a tiny one just large enough to stuff Windows on it, it's swapfile and a handful of programs.
While this is true, IMHO the motherboard is one thing you really don't want to skimp on. With that said, this motherboard is one of the best for the FM2+ socket. I have really enjoyed and appreciate the features of it with my recent build. Anyone who is considering doing serious overclocking with the 860K should highly consider it IMHO.
Sooooo, the Athlon X4 870k is coming out a bit later it seems? I hope this refresh of the Kaveri's silicon can open up the overclocking headroom some at least... The A10-7870K is being released a bit higher frequency than it's Kaveri predecessor. Time will tell it seems. Sadly, those in the market for a new system will only be interested in this I'd imagine as so far, there doesn't seem to be any real performance enhancements with Godavari in what I've read across the net to date.
For the rest of you waiting on AMD to step up to the table with Intel, you'll be waiting for the next AMD CPU architecture "Zen" in late 2016 it seems... Until then, relax, because AMD will have to make hay while it's daylight in the mid to low range with Godavari on FM2+ and what's left of their aging AM3+ inventory. Considering AMD has the resources of about 1/8th to 1/10th of Intel's and it takes considerable time to bring out a whole new CPU architecture to the market, I'm actually quite amazed they're forecasting releasing it that soon honestly.
Try googling HBM memory sometime, AMD does plenty of innovating... For those that actually take notice that is.
Oh yes, I typically work in rather ancient versions of AutoCAD sadly, since our company does not see fit to spend money on CAD software, much less our workstations it seems. We still have draftsmen working in AutoCAD R14 for pete's sake! facepalm As for me thankfully, I'm working in AutoCAD 2007 mostly, although we have Softdesk Land Development as well which is R14 based I believe. What's sad is that a few of the engineers do have a copy of AutoCAD 2015/Autodesk Inventor but that's because it also has some engineering design packages with it that is supposed to "simplify" their design work to my understanding. Regardless, my work machine doesn't seem to have any real issues working with any of our more complex 2d drawings and designs, so it's safe to assume my home machine wouldn't be any worse for sure.
From my understanding and research with the FM2/FM2+ platform, AMD does not support any DRAM speed over 2133 mhz and my results apparently explain why. Now it is important to note, I DID get it to 2400 mhz stable with only TWO 8 gig sticks of the G.Skill Sniper DDR3 ram. But anything beyond that and well, it's a crapshoot. I'd like to see how the G.Skill Ripjaws series DDR3 would work, but I doubt I will have the time or more or less the money to find out anytime soon. FWIW as well with the ram speeds, I understand it that the APUs like mhz over CAS ratings, since it's bandwidth is starved sharing die space/data lanes with both the R7 GPU and the quad core Kaveri.
Ahhh so far, for 2D stuff that I do day-to-day, no sweat! I work on a old 3 Ghz P4 w/ a old Nvidia 9500 GT at work if that tells you anything, haha! I'd have to go play with a few of my 3d models I've done at work later and render them to give some real feedback on that... Although I'm sure it would handle it no problem!
Ahhh thanks, still learning my way around the site it seems, heh! thumbsup