Hey, I have already given the system to my coworker. I can ask if he has recorded temps but more than likely, he has not.
Actually, yes! There's still a bit of room between the top of the cooler and the glass. I'm honestly not sure why the case would claim a maximum of 155mm.
I use the G502 HERO and love it. Lots of features and has the ability to add or remove weights which was important to me.
Before the Logitech, I used the Corsair M65 FPS and loved that mouse as well.
64 is okay for a laptop. I would assume that is under a decent load. If it's 64 degrees while idle, you may have an issue. Otherwise, as long as it doesn't get higher than 68/69 degrees celsius, I wouldn't be too concerned.
You didn't post or link a build.
Yes, 212 black edition. Wasn't necessary but this is quieter than the stock cooler when ramped up.
It was shockingly good for the price. Build quality, cable management, airflow, etc. I was impressed.
168 FPS @ high settings on a 1650? Something seems off about that.
You would probably want something like this in order to get a true (and constant) 144 FPS at high settings.
There are a couple of things you could trim down:
If you don't play many games, you could get away with only having 500GB of storage in which case you could ditch the HDD and save $40. However, I imagine you would only be able to have 5-8 AAA games installed at one time.
If you don't have a need for a premium case, you should probably shave off another $40-50 and still have a decent case. The Meshify, however, is one of the best cases under $100.
If you don't mind a micro-atx form factor, you could shave off a few more bucks by going with a micro-atx board and case.
Lastly, if you don't mind a bit of fluctuation between probably 110-144 FPS, a 2060 or the upcoming 5600XT might serve you well at a considerably lower cost. You may not notice the difference. I have a 2070 w/ a 1440p 144hz monitor and consistently get about 110-120 FPS and love it. Personally, I don't really care about the 20ish FPS difference.
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I personally like the Hyper 212 by Cooler Master. I have used the Black RGB once and the regular Black edition twice and it has always done well for me.
Looks good. For the Meshify C (I have one), you'll ultimately want the AIO on the top of the case that way you can leave the front for intake fans. The Meshify supports up-to a 240mm AIO on the top. I personally use a Kraken X52 and love it but it's a bit more on the expensive side. You can't go wrong with most Corsair units, Cooler Master has some good ones as well. Just find one that you like with good reviews.
It might be wise to pick up 1 or 2 extra fans but I imagine everything would stay pretty cool if you didn't. The Meshify only comes with two 120mm fans - one on the rear and one on the front.
The 3600X isn't much faster than the regular 3600. It's a minimal performance increase for quite a bit more money. Maybe do some further research but a 3600 may be better for you - especially if you want to shave a few bucks off.
Personally, I don't see much value in 120mm AIOs. I would either go all out for a 240-360mm (depending on case) or stick with a good air cooler. In terms of price-to-performance, 120mm AIOs just don't do well.
I haven't done much research on the new iCUE lineup but my go-to favorite is always the Fractal Designs Meshify C case.
Looks pretty good.
Your CPU choice has me wondering what you'll be using this for. Do you need the 3700X? If you're only gaming and doing general stuff, the 3600/3600X is a fantastic CPU for gaming. As long as you are not editing and/or streaming, the 3700X is probably overkill.
The 2080 SUPER is most certainly overkill for 1080p144 but as long as you're planning an upgrade to a 1440p144 monitor, it's good.
As 9eorge mentioned, the Hyper 212 isn't really necessary. The included cooler is quite good, I used it with my 2700X for months before upgrading to an AIO. My only complaint about it is that it can get fairly loud when ramping up.
The reviews on that BR 600W PSU is a bit hit and miss. Considering you'll be running a 2700X / 5700 XT, you may consider putting a bit more money into the PSU as it is not something to cheap out on considering it powers everything in your computer.
Well, a larger case is typically better for temperatures because the components are more spread out - not jammed together. Airflow obviously plays a factor as well and generally, a larger case would support more fans. A standard ATX mid-tower is probably what you're looking for.
The Meshify C is about the best case for the price and offers a lot of airflow due to its open, mesh front panel. Although it is a bit more in cost, I will link a couple of good options below.
Good criteria to look for:
Tempered glass side panel. As I mentioned, acrylic, while cheap, does not look good for long. It will scratch with pretty much any material you use to wipe it off. Paper towel, microfiber, etc.
Open front panel. Increases airflow and decreases temperature considerably.
Front I/O. Always nice to make sure the case has what you need in the front. USB, headphone jack, USB Type C, etc.
Size format. Your 'standard' case will be a mid-size ATX. You could also go with a micro-atx system if you want something with a smaller footprint. It goes from full size atx, mid-size atx, micro-atx, mini-itx.
I do not have any experience with WoW so I won't comment on performance. I would imagine that a build consisting of a R7 2700 and 2070S would be able to handle that. What are the current specs of the PC you're using?
Monitor criteria to look for:
Size and resolution. I would look for 1080p or 1440p. 4K, imo, isn't really worth it. The experience of a high refresh rate monitor is far more important than resolution - at least to me. Plus, you would need more power in order to push a 4K display. Anyways, if 1080p, I would keep it at 24" if you want crisp text. 1440p at 24" is good but it's really ideal at 27".
Refresh rate. 60hz is your standard panel, 75hz usually exist with monitors that have freesync (more on that), otherwise you're looking at high refresh rate which is anywhere from 100-240hz. Personally, I wouldn't go beyond 144hz. That will just require more power to drive and the difference between 144 and 240 is far less drastic than going from 60 to 144.
Response time. Your ultimate gaming monitor would be 1ms response time. That's the fastest, however, I wouldn't be too concerned if you end up finding the perfect monitor but it's 2, 3 or even 4ms. I personally wouldn't go past 4ms.
Screen tear technology. Currently, you have your choice of a 'freesync' or 'g-sync' monitor. I would advise you to research this on your own as it would be too difficult for me to explain. Anyways, g-sync costs more, freesync comes with most monitors geared towards gaming or any monitor advertised as '75hz'. Honestly.... I have a g-sync monitor and never actually use the g-sync function.
Lastly, the only other thing I would pay attention to is the type of panel it is. VA, TN, IPS, etc. Each have their advantages and disadvantages but again, I would look this up on your own to get the best explanation. I included a filter down below so you can view every 23.8"+, 1080p or 1440p monitor with less than 5ms response time and over 100hz refresh rate.
Flowbie, I would consider something along the lines of this build. This would achieve everything that you're looking for.
Ryzen 7 would certainly be recommended. At least 2nd generation, 3rd gen if it fits the budget. For streaming, you want to pay attention to the thread count of a CPU. Ryzen 7 2700 having 8 cores and 16 threads is perfect for a streaming setup. You should absolutely be able to stream 1440p60. Having the higher core count will also open other doors for you such as editing video should you wish.
16GB of RAM should be perfect. I see no need for 32GB.
RTX 2070S is a powerful card that will provide you with up-to 1440p 144FPS if you want (or have) a high refresh rate monitor. I personally have a regular 2070 and, for example, COD MW stays at 110+ FPS @ 1440p. It's beautiful. If the price seems a bit steep, a great alternative would be the AMD 5700 XT. Very similar performance for quite a bit less, however, AMD does not have NVENC built into their cards. That is designed to reduce FPS loss while streaming and from what I've read, it seems to be pretty efficient.
The only suggestion that I would have is to spend a bit more money on the case. Even if you're not into the aesthetics, having a case that offers better build quality, more features, more support and a glass side panel (acrylic scratches easily), might save you a headache or two later on. You don't need to spend much, I would say somewhere around $80 will get you a fairly premium case.
Looks great! Here's a list with an all-white PSU which includes white cables. A bit more expensive but when you factor in the white cables, it's pretty reasonable. Custom cables after the fact are typically about $60-80.
Anyways, your components look good and you've pretty much chosen every white component you can.
Often enough, performance is relatively the same when comparing 3600mhz 18 CAS RAM to 3200mhz 15/16 CAS RAM - even with a Zen 2 CPU. 3200mhz 16 CAS would shave a bit off the price if you wanted to.
Again, if you want to save a few bucks, I would look into getting a different NVMe SSD such as the 660p. Still very fast but considerably cheaper.
No but that is one of my plans for tonight. I'm going to swap his GPU and RAM into my system and see if it boots. If it does, that should confirm it's an issue with his motherboard. I hope at least.
I did not swap those over. I figured since the 2600X boots in my system, it's in working order. Right now, I'm looking at getting an RMA for the motherboard.
Yes, the debug light is on.
I have. I've inspected both the CPU pins and the socket itself. Both appear to be perfectly fine. No damage, no bent pins.
Hmm, I could try that. Definitely makes me nervous so I'll check out those videos lol.
I have inspected the CPU cooler as well as the wiring. It spins and appears to be functioning as it should.
Unfortunately, I don't have one besides my 2700X so I may swap that over to see if it boots. However, since the 2600X boots in my system, I would believe the 2600X is functioning. That's what makes me think it's the motherboard.
You could get away with the stock cooler if you want to.
You might consider more storage if it fits the budget. 250GB won't last long once you install the OS and programs. Your typical AAA title will cost you anywhere from 40-80GB each. Red Dead Redemption 2 is about 102GB by itself.
750W PSU is a bit overkill. You would be just fine with a 650W.
No worries at all. That's the beauty of building your own; you're able to adapt everything to exactly what you need and what you want.
I totally hear you about the matching monitors. I wish I was able to afford a second one of mine but had to opt for a regular 1080p60 TN display.
As for the monitors,
Your top two choices are good. The MSI is slightly larger (27" is beautiful for 1440p) and also, has a curved display which can definitely make for a better experience. Not to mention that the MSI panels are cheaper. I think overall, I would probably choose the MSIs. Seems like better value to me, however, I would check all the reviews that you can just to make sure. eBay, Amazon, NewEgg, B&H, here, etc.
Here's what I threw together. Left the theme to a neutral choice of mostly black components with quite a bit of RGB. You're more than welcome to dial down the RGB if you'd like.
Ryzen 7 3700X. Powerful 8 core / 16 thread CPU that will do wonders with more intensive tasks,
Matched the R7 3700X with an H100i AIO liquid cooler. You're welcome to go with an air cooler if you'd like.
32GB of RAM for your VMs and multi-tasking needs.
X570 motherboard for quality overclocking features and support.
For storage, you can whatever you'd like but I included a 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD. Not sure if you would need more but from the sounds of it, you will probably want 2TB at least if you plan to keep many games installed at once. RDR2 is 102GB by itself.
I chose to include an RTX 2070S. You may want a bit more but the 2070S is more than capable of providing 144FPS at 1440p at higher settings. I have a 2070 (and 1440p144 monitor) and I'm very happy with the performance. However, RDR2 is a different story. I only get about 80 FPS with that lol.
Meshify C case. One of the best cases for the money. Very solid build quality, great aesthetics, great airflow and very easy to build in.
650W Fully modular PSU.
For monitors, I didn't see a point in quoting you two high refresh rate monitors so I tried to choose two Dell monitors that look VERY similar. So, I included 1 24" 1440p, 165hz, 1ms, G-Sync monitor and the other is a regular 24" 1440p 60hz, 4ms, IPS display. Your best bet if you're after aesthetics would be to mount them rather than using the stand. If you used a mount, I bet they would look great next to each other.
K70 mechanical keyboard with brown keys. The browns will feel awesome, however, they are a bit loud.
Matched that with the Corsiar M65 PRO mouse - one of my favorites. Especially for the cost.
*Some budget leftover. You could max out your budget by going with the 12-core / 24 thread Ryzen 9 3900X but I don't know if that would be necessary.
Looks awesome, great job!
How does the 2070S handle that 3440x1440p monitor? Might want to get one but I wasn't sure if the 2070S would be enough to push most titles towards 144FPS at higher settings.
I think he meant streaming 4K content from YouTube, NetFlix, etc? In which case, it is more than capable of doing that.
The 9600K is better. The i7 has two extra threads but those won't matter unless you're looking to stream.
Otherwise, the 9600K is faster and has more value in just about every other category.
Beautiful setup. You did a great job with everything.
Frankly, the 5700XT is a very powerful card and may even be overkill if all you're looking for 1080p60. It's capable of 1080p144 and even close-to being able to push a full 1440p144 at higher settings.
That's quite alright! Benefit is, you'll have a very powerful GPU that will probably last you many, many years at 1080p60 or if you'd like, you would always have the option to upgrade to a 144hz monitor which is amazing by the way.
However, just know that you could downgrade and save some money if you'd like. For 1080p60, a regular 5700 would be good. Otherwise, 1660 or 2060 would be good options as well. Or maybe a pre-owned 1070. All up to you.
Looks good, but seems a bit overkill for a build that will only do light gaming and everyday use.
That Z390 motherboard is way overkill for your needs. B365 is the cheaper alternative to Z390. Won't have the same power delivery, the amount of features or VRMs that the higher end Z390 has, however, you probably won't make use of those anyway.
3200mhz RAM isn't necessary for an Intel build. 2666mhz is just fine - you won't know the difference.
The 970 Evo is just about the best M.2 NVMe SSD available but if you aren't frequently transfering massive files, you don't need it. The 660p is a budget NVMe drive. Still, very fast and a lot cheaper.
A 650W G3 is overkill. Your build won't need more than 450-550W so I included a semi-modular CXM unit. Reliable, good, quiet.
Lastly, you could downgrade the 1660 GPU but I left it alone. That is a rather expensive version of the 1660 so you could easily shave off another $30-40 by going with a cheaper version.
*Side note: you could also switch to Ryzen for a cheaper overall price and frankly, it'll be just as good if not better.
It really depends on you. SSDs have dramatically gone down in price so they are fairly cheap nowadays.
Last year, I switched my game drive over to SSD and I'm very glad I made that choice. They launch and load way faster than they used to so it's definitely nice to have.
I would say that if a 1TB SSD fits in the budget, I would go ahead and do that.
As you configured it, that will have no problem achieving what you want.
To put it into perspective, my PC has a 2700X and regular 2070 and I, very easily, achieve 120-130 FPS @ 1440p with AAA titles.
Looks good. Running multiple monitors will mostly require extra RAM with a little bit of CPU depending on what you're doing on that 2nd monitor of course. I have a 2700X/16GB of RAM and it runs perfectly fine.
As for your list, everything looks great. The only thing I would suggest is getting a faster SSD. That SSD is going to be rather slow in comparison to others that don't cost much more. Considering you'll be running your OS, files and most important programs on it, you may want something a bit better such as Crucial MX500, 860 Evo, etc.
Oh, yeah you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Enjoy and have fun building.
I'm not sure why you're hesitant about matching a 3600X with a B450/X470. If you're worried about it being updated for Zen 2, most of the 450/470 boards have been updated at this point. If they don't advertise 'Zen 2 Ready', you can always call and ask before ordering. Otherwise, a local PC shop might be willing to make the update for you.
There aren't many tremendous differences between X470 and X570. The biggest change was PCIE 4.0, however, the real-world benchmarks are quite minimal when comparing the two.
In terms of what CPU you should go with, I think it ultimately depends on what you're doing with the computer. Zen 2 is far better for gaming so if you're only (or mostly) gaming, I'd go with the 3600X. If you could utilize the extra cores and threads of the 2700X for tasks such as video editing, I would go with that.
Otherwise, both CPUs are fantastic and will serve you well. I'm actively trying to replace my 2700X with a 3600X. I'm also keeping my X470 board because I don't see the point in upgrading to X570.
Looks great. I would possibly upgrade the CPU a little. At 1080p, games will require a bit of CPU performance in order to stay over 60 FPS. Especially demanding titles like Witcher.
Ryzen 5 2600 if you decide to do it.
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Looks great! That will be a very strong gaming PC.
Absolutely but as a student, he would probably like a few hours of battery life? Not attached to the wall all the time.
I would personally choose the Acer for its IPS panel. Otherwise they are very similar.
Keep in mind that if you're planning to get an eGPU later on, the laptop will absolutely need a Thunderbolt 3 port if you want to provide enough bandwidth. Unfortunately, from the quick search I just did, it doesn't look like any new laptop that has Thunderbolt 3 is under $800. Or even $1,000 for that matter. Take this with a grain of salt - I could be very wrong.
A pre-owned Alienware would make me a little nervous without some kind of added warranty (be careful choosing what company if you do). If you ask me, only AW's latest products such as the M15 are actually worth it. Alienware laptops from a few years ago and older tend to have some expensive issues sooner or later.
What you might consider is just getting a 'gaming' laptop that has a dedicated GPU such as a 1070, 1080, 2060, etc. You may have to leave the idea of thunderbolt 3 behind but at least you'd have a laptop that, internally, has the power to do what you need it to do. The downside of this is going to be your battery life and the additional weight in your backpack but that is the nature of gaming laptops. This would greatly increase your chances of staying within budget.
The primary differences between cards will be the base clock they come with and cooler design. Some cards do perform better than others.
Reference card (stock)
Higher end cards.
2070 Super outperforms the 5700XT but is certainly the more expensive option. At the end of the day, either would suit your needs and either would be able to handle 1440p 144hz.
Absolutely get a 1440p high refresh rate monitor. I use a regular 2070 (non-super) and easily get 120+ FPS on most AAA titles at a mixture of high and medium settings. A 2070 Super will do even better especially with less demanding games such as Sims and MMO games.
Well, there's no use in upgrading to a CPU that you don't need. The 3800 is fantastic but yes, it will cost quite a bit more and if you don't need 8 cores and 16 threads, it won't benefit you and certainly won't be worth the extra investment.
I don't think so personally. The biggest benefit of X570 is going to be the PCIE 4.0, however, there's no real world advantages yet. If you get X570, think of it as a future investment. Sure, PCIE 4.0 SSDs are starting to become a thing but they are more expensive and honestly, not a whole lot faster. Even if they were, you would need be transferring some very large files to need it. I'm about a year into owning my first NVMe drive and I think the biggest group of files I transfered was about 4GB of 1080p video clips lol.
What might be beneficial is the extra bandwidth that GPUs will get, however, only the AMD 5700XT can take advantage of that now and the results aren't impressing to me.
I use a 502 Hero and love it. Lots of adjustments, macros, etc. The Logitech program to control everything is also very nice. I have no complaints
Overall, your list looks good besides one thing.
The i5-9600k is an excellent CPU. I wouldn't be concerned about its performance. I would say they fairly equal in terms of gaming performance but the Ryzen does have hyperthreading it's a 6 core / 12 thread CPU vs 6 core / 6 thread like the i5. You would only need those extra threads for tasks such as streaming or editing.
The L9i is a low profile cooler designed for cases that are, typically, a micro-atx or mini-itx format. Which yours is not. Also, the stock cooler that comes with the 3600X probably has similar performance to the L9i. I would upgrade to a standard sized cooler. Shouldn't cost much more money if any at all. One that I typically suggest is the Hyper 212. There's a Black Edition and also RGB version if you're after aesthetics. Make sure it comes with the AM4 mount otherwise purchase that separately.
Make sure that X470 motherboard has the latest BIOS update to support Zen 2 CPUs. If it is not, your CPU will not work with it and will need the update before doing so. You need a compatible CPU in order to make the update. Don't let this scare you, most of the X470s and B450s have been updated - just double check before purchasing. Should be listed on the website or support page. Contact customer support worst case.
I don't have any personal experience with that SSD but it appears to have some mixed appears. Some are great, others are not. You could end up with a great SSD but you should consider putting a more bucks into the SSD and get something highly rated such as the Crucial MX500, Samsung 860 Evo, etc. You could even get an NVMe SSD for not much more.
I would also spend a bit more on the PSU. It's never good to cheap out on the PSU considering what it is and what it does. A rogue PSU can wind up frying your entire system. I typically suggest Corsair, EVGA, higher-end Be Quiet! or Whisper. Also, you may consider a semi or fully-modular PSU otherwise you're going to have a ton of cables that don't go to anything. A fully modular PSU allows you to use the cables that you need.
If you ask me, refresh rate is more important than resolution. The overall 'experience' that a high refresh rate creates for gaming is unreal. I will never return to 60hz even if that meant a higher resolution.
You may continue to shop around for deals. I was in a similar boat during my last build (monitor is always the hardest thing for me) but I managed to find a Dell S2417DG on eBay as an 'open-box' for $230 shipped. At that time, they were over $400 new. That's a 1440p 165hz G-Syc 1ms monitor that was cheaper than most 2560x1080p ultrawides that I was considering at that time. It's only 24" but I love it.
That's from a pure gaming standpoint.
So, I run an EVGA RTX 2070 XC Ultra and a R7 2700X (mostly stock settings) and in 1440p, I easily achieve 120 FPS+ across the board with a mixture of high and medium settings. That's with AAA titles such as Modern Warfare. It's a great combination.
With that said, I would probably get a 2070 or 5700 XT at least. If you have a some extra cash, a 2070 SUPER would give you a bit more headroom in terms of power. Furthermore, if you overclocked, that would you give you even more headroom to play with. You should easily be able to achieve 144 FPS or more either way.
As for the CPU, the 2700X and 3600 are a bit different. Personally, if this is a gaming rig and nothing more, I would really consider the 3600 due to its new architecture and optimization for gaming. The Zen 2 CPUs are considerably better for gaming than any previous models. I would only consider the 2700X if you need the extra cores and threads which, you really only need that if you'll be streaming, editing, or using virtual machines. If you don't do any of that, there's really no need for the 2700X. Even so, the 3600 will do all of that, just not quite as well.
Downloading will be based on internet speed but for light gaming, you'll want something with dedicated graphics of some kind.
For the budget, I would imagine you'll end up with a last generation budget gaming laptop which, will probably end up with something like a 1050 or 1050 Ti. That is more than suitable for 'light gaming' but it's also possible she can get away with graphics like MX150.
If she only plays games like Minecraft or Rocket League, MX150 will be sufficient but if we're talking about AAA titles, it won't cut it.
Other than that, for under $700, I would expect at least 8GB of RAM (12-16 preferred) and at least 250GB of SSD storage (500 preferred). You'll also probably end up with a late model i5 but obviously an i7 would be okay as well. 8th gen or better i5s are great.
Also, you'll probably end up closer to that $700 budget than $500. Laptops with dedicated graphics are usually quite a bit more expensive.