"Microsoft has monetized so many features in Windows 10 that they practically give it away"
What do you mean by this? From what I've seen, it still costs $100+ for OEM Win10 Home at Newegg for example. Maybe you mean the free upgrade from 7? Does your previous Windows 7 computer no longer exist?
Cool case, I'll have to keep that in mind. Do you have a picture with something for scale next to it, or maybe holding it in your hand? I like your choice of components too. I'm also curious for what you'll use it for.
Hey thanks for the question, and for reading. I did a bunch of looking around and decided to try a Noctua actually. I bought a Noctua NF-A9 PWM 92mm for $16 on Newegg. It is definitely quieter and less annoying, though you can still hear it with the computer right in front of you. Parents hadn't complained at all, but they noticed the improvement, so that's a win. CPU temp did increase a little (roughly +3 C on CPU and +4 C on mobo to 50.0 C and 35.0 C idle in BIOS respectively). I regret not removing the TIM from the heatsink and applying my own thin layer since I've usually done that and thought it gave good results, though I never tested both ways due to the hassle. Maybe I should check temp with some software within Windows as a second check. But the computer is doing great. I'll update my description with this.
Great choices, I like it!
Yes, you got it, nice job checking. That makes sense you only have one extra slot in a MicroATX build with a 2-slot height video card. It should be compatible. Generally wireless PCIe cards don't really need that much bandwidth (relatively... compared to video cards for example... network communication is much less) so they don't have to be X4 and such. They will work, they just won't plug into the whole length of the slot, meaning not all the wires/contacts are used. All the PCIe slots are like that to my knowledge.
As for USB adapters, I'm not really sure how bad. They will work, and work fine generally. But they probably won't have as good of range and speed. Just a rough idea there, sorry.
Ok, good to know and understood. So you can have a AC wifi which should be the fastest. But you never know. 2.4GHz is a lower frequency/longer wavelength so it can go through walls better.
I haven't checked any reviews really but I would give TP-Link a try again - the AC1900 and AC1300 look like they would be good. https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5519_Archer-T9E.html
Yep. If you have time, you can wait for some deals. Set some deal alerts with Slickdeals.net. Be flexible on some of the parts/brands.
This computer will be a beast for you for a long time. Great choices and balance.
Name an upgrade.
Yes. FYI, for recording/streaming/editing, more CPU cores the better. So choosing AMD here over Intel is a good choice. And you'd also have the option of the 8-core over this 6-core for more money. But this will be great. As for easy building, just do a minimal amount of research on building computers. It doesn't take much to get into.
I would say to check what CPUs and GPUs his friends have. Then you can compare some benchmarks with what your setup would be. Then run a benchmark on the system once it is built (probably 3DMark). Your son can mention his 3DMark score when he shows off his new system. His friends will then probably run it on theirs... and bragging rights, LOL. Intel snobbery easily defeated.
I agree with Tsar. Although microATX can cost a little more sometimes. Air cooling nowadays is plenty quiet as long as you have a half-decent CPU cooler, good GPU cooling setup, a decent airy case, and don't have any annoying fans. This looks good to me, and I do care a lot about silence. It's way easier than it used to be.
Do you know which wireless standards are available in your target wireless network? N, AC, etc? Usually more antennas the better.
By the way, I used wifi with my desktop for a long time - an internal 3-antenna dual-band N card from TP-Link. It was ok, but wired is just better, faster, less problems. I had to move my wifi router around to find the best spot so my desktop got decent connection and laptops/phones around the house could still connect too. But you gotta do what you gotta do.
Interesting site. I'll give that a try for my current builds and see if it gives me the answer I expect. Anyway, bottlenecking is dependent on the type of workload just as much as the actual hardware CPU/GPU balance. If you're talking gaming, then it's dependent on the specific game.
For a 30% bottleneck on the GPU, I imagine this is somewhat due to the current huge gap in performance between the RX 580/GTX 1060 and the next higher priced choice (excluding RX 590). And this Ryzen 5 2600 would have a large advantage in many CPU-bound loads over the Ryzen 3 2200G. Ryzen 3 2200G with RX 580 makes sense for saving money on a system used mostly for gaming. It's a good CPU. But personally I would also go with the Ryzen 5 2600. You can easily upgrade the GPU in the future by swapping in a new one, but upgrading the CPU is usually a whole new system for me because years down the road, often your money doesn't get you much CPU improvement on the same socket. Though it is possible this is changing in recent years since supposedly AMD plans for their current socket to be around for a while and performance gains in CPU generations are not as big as they used to be.
I noticed under the bottleneck results it says "This result is based on average CPU and GPU usage from different programs and games. It changes based on operating system, background processes activity and targeted applications. This result is not universal and changes based on differences in hardware and software enviroments. Please do not use this calculator primary as decision maker than as helping tool to understand performance correlations between different components."
So I wonder what is included. It would be an awesome feature addition if they would allow you to select the workload, maybe generic gaming, and specific games, video encoding, etc., so you could see the bottleneck result for the different things you plan to use it for.
Wow that's amazing, haha. I looked at all the photos as well.
That's awesome. That's pretty darn low decibels from a phone recording (in a non-special-quiet environment I'm guessing). Nice! I might try a be quiet! fan to replace the 90mm case fan in my parents' machine then.
I believe I had seen the different colors on the same listing at Newegg actually, so it would have been the same CAS. That sounds good on the backup. Thanks for the info on the case.
The video card and fans really fill that thing up! Looks awesome. By the way, that CPU heatsink in your other computer looks like a beast.
I wonder why they don't put the AMD coolers on here as choices.
Do you like the be quiet! fans?
Nice! I got the same memory :) Yeah I wasn't sure either but I figured 2933 meant 3000 since that's what the XMP profile gave.
Yeah that is an awesome case. And that looks like an awesome cooler too. Nice that it barely fits under the mesh, ha. Did the black color version of that memory cost more? It looked like it cost more when I bought my red Corsair Vengeance LPX. I went with that too for low profile.
Hopefully since it's to be a Plex server then backups aren't crucial, because RAID 0 on big drives is asking for trouble.
Oh, the case doesn't have a price here. How much did it cost?
I really like the build, nice one.
Awesome build in the little box case. And nice job trying the slightly risky things that worked out. Nice little fan in the corner there too. I've noticed Mini ITX costs more over Micro ATX, but this one isn't too bad at least for the motherboard. Can you tell us about the case? How much did it cost and where did you find it?
I've learned about Gigabyte Brix, Zotac ZBOX, Intel NUC... I'd like one to come out with one that has an AMD Ryzen 2400G APU - so good graphics and no video card needed. Zotac has announced and shown one (MA551) at expos, but I don't believe it's actually on sale yet.
Thanks. You could be right. I did plan 8GB originally (and the 2200G CPU) but my buddy suggested 16GB due to our longer refresh cycles with our parents. I just looked it up and they did have their last computer for almost 11 years! (Sept 29, 2007) I wonder how much memory will be normal in 11 years. And for the SSD, it's actually hard to beat the price of that WD Blue 3D NAND. Plus an SSD should last longer than a hard disk, which possibly saves me some time. An extra $150 doesn't really mean as much if the computer is going to last that long.
Hey, you got me there :) You have a keen eye. Actually that Ultra M.2 labeled port is indeed the NVMe. The SATA M.2 port is on the very bottom right of the board. That was hidden to me at first. I had just made a previous build with an NVMe drive that went into an ASUS board that had an M.2 port that accepted both NVMe and SATA drives. However unbeknownst to me, this board had a separate port for each. I took the photo before I realized it and switched it. I have heard of people breaking their devices by jamming them into the wrong one, but these both had the same key. I do definitely check the port key before inserting something like this in any case.
Thanks. Yes they were definitely due!
Yes, I definitely would recommend it. It competes nicely with the previous sort of "standard" which was the Samsung 850 EVO. Unless you are ok to pay more for an NVMe drive, which would be significantly faster to the point it could be noticeable, IMO there isn't really much reason to pay more than this WD Blue 3D NAND (make sure it's the 3D NAND one and not the older version which was slower). It's very fast. You can search for "Anandtech wd blue 3d" for Anandtech's review when it was released with good comparisons and commentary.
Haha, yeah. I don't know. I guess I had already been emailing with a couple buddies about it who I talk computer stuff with normally and weighed the parts choices so when it came time to write something here, I easily just wrote a bunch without thinking. I wish I could write out this much as easily for anything I need to write about.
Maybe. But they are paying for the computer, lol.
Which parts are the loudest? I'm guessing the video card and all the fast case fans. But I'm curious about the CPU heatsink/fan. Can you tell with all of that stuff running which are loudest?
Despite the frustration you had with the case, I have to say I really like the looks of that case.
Yes, it's great for gaming. It's still a good choice too if you get a good price. I got mine for $210 on newegg after $40 PNY rebate. However, there are a lot more choices now with AMD's cards not overpriced due to cryptocoin mining anymore. Watch for deals on slickdeals.net maybe.
Cool thanks, good to know about the Cougar fans. I had heard of them but that was it. I am definitely big on the quiet fans as I went out of my way to get some Nexus and Fractal Design fans last time, and I have a bunch of good Papst and Panaflow in reserve, hehe.
Yeah 8 scares me. I have used it just a little while helping out friends with their computers and it seems like it would really get in my way of doing things. I hope there is an improvement before I build my next one.
Excellent, a Kaveri HTPC. Yes it is beefier than needed for HTPC, but probably what I would do. I have that memory, it's what I put in my computer when I built it in 2011, works great. I got it to fit under my big cooler. However, now I think there are probably faster memories out there for very similar price, and the memory speed really matters for the APUs. Just something to think about. Nice cooler.
It looks like A1, B1 is correct to me from the manual. Some mobos like my ASRock actually recommend the other two.
Nice salt crystal. Haha, just kidding. Crazy nice build and nice parts! It looks great with the window for sure. Maybe more obsessive than I would do but hey why not for your first build and if you want to put in the money. How do you like the Cougar fans? That's cool, no HDD? Staying away from Windows 8?
Yeah, they always tell you to buy the sticks together nowadays, so what if you need more later? Too bad, buy all new? Hopefully it's still available then. In the past I bought 2 sticks of memory expecting to be able to buy 2 more sticks later, and I did that twice and it worked fine, but it seems like that's not the best way to go now.
Thanks a lot, I'll look into that.
They cost a little more maybe but I've been loyal to them ever since I discovered they were the most quiet and efficient (and reliable) PSUs out there back when computers were really noisy and there wasn't anything 80 PLUS out there, and I was trying to keep my computer quiet since it was in the same small room I slept in at college (~2002). That was right when Seasonic made its first retail products after being OEM only before. Silentpcreview.com was one of my favorite computers sites then, hehe. I wish this PCPartPicker site was around back when I was doing some funny custom stuff just to get my computer silent.
Anyway, I also wanted to say since you're 14, good luck with everything and don't let the money get you down. I'm sure you'll be able to put more into computers later on if you want to. For now, nobody wants the older stuff so it can be pretty cheap if you carefully lurk Craigslist and ebay and this works just fine for some components. But you already have pretty much everybody on this site beat if you could build your own computer with $800 at your age. I didn't have $800, and my family probably just got our first computer about that time.
Ok, in that case I'll post it and ignore naysayers :)
Ok good luck!!
+1 Accessory drawer, hah
How does XP work with that SSD so far?
I'd recommend the Malwarebytes Anti-Malware lifetime license for ~$12.49. Best thing I did for my parents' XP computer... 4 years ago
I do like the look of that case. I saw a cool Bitfenix, forgot the name, that would have been great for a somewhat mobile case with those handles, but there were some negatives and cooling wasn't the best. Of course price.
Is it bad form to post a build that's not new? For example, I have a parts list of my computer I built in Jan 2011 on here just for having a nice part list in one place, and for completeness. I thought might as well put it up since I put up the recent one I did. If that's not cool, then I'll leave it as just a list and not make it a completed build, even though it has been completed for a while.
GTX 760 is good too, newer, and can be had for a bit over $200 during sales/rebates. Mine was $270 with a $40 rebate and a bundled card from Nvidia with codes for 2 games which I sold on ebay for $20... so effectively ~$210 for me.
Not all Corsairs, unless that has changed recently
Seasonic. I haven't seen one die yet and we have a bunch of old ones at work that already had lived in HP workstations in past lives. And of course, many PSUs for other brands are also made by Seasonic.
I can borrow a "Kill-A-Watt" meter from our library here to see actual usage, though I haven't yet tried it. Most people think they use more than they do, but I think people are becoming more informed on this lately. Newegg has a PSU tool that gives you a guess of how much power you'll need.
Yep, it's pretty awesome, and that she herself games. I was definitely surprised to hear that when I first learned of it. I always thought that the term "LAN Party" was so ridiculous. However, the gaming kicks butt. 15 people in a garage shooting each other in-game is a riot. My eyeballs (dry) and my stomach (overkill on the unhealthy food) aren't happy for a while but it passes. The biggest hassle is making sure everyone has the correct games in question and right version etc., and breaking down and setting up comps. And of course everyone has to keep their computers updated enough for the new games. However it's down to a science now, also Steam helps, though our games are more expensive now with us getting a new COD every other year. Friday night is setup, then Saturday is gaming all day til late.
We have mixed up the games more in the past, but the games were cheaper then. We do play an older RC racing game called Re-Volt which is hilarious. And there is BZFlag which is old-school looking tank game that's free/open source and it's pretty funny playing these also. We're on the lookout for other games that are free or cheap and are great for LAN play, but it seems like LAN play isn't really considered much by game developers anymore unfortunately.
Actually the new Call of Duty Ghosts requires a little more horsepower. There have been some very critical reviews because of this because the game isn't changed all that much to warrant such a big increase in system requirements. I can attest that it runs way worse than the previous one we had MW3.
I did quite a bit of tweaking of settings, upgrading CPU a bit, and overclocking and still wasn't satisfied with the Core 2 Duo we had previously. As for other games, COD is plenty for me as I don't have a ton of time and don't feel like buying that many games. I like the shoot-em-up action in COD also. I previously played a lot of Quake 3, otherwise it was mostly Age of Empires for me.
Cool thanks. Ah that Crucial article probably got it for you. It's important for SSD drives. I'll also note that if you're planning to have an SSD for OS/programs drive and hard disk for data or something, you'll want to keep the hard disk unplugged during Windows installation so that Windows won't put something on the hard disk at that time. Otherwise you'll find out if you ever take the hard disk out or erase it and then your computer won't boot. Annoying.