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Modest Gaming Build

by manirelli

Description

CPU

Our Modest Gaming Build is built around the Ryzen 5 1400. Using the stock cooler you should be able to achieve moderate overclocks on this unlocked processor.

Motherboard

We've paired the R5 1400 with a parametric list of mATX B350 motherboards that supports up to 64GB of DDR4 memory, multiple SATA6 devices, and front panel USB3.0.

Memory

For this build and most machines outside of the top end enthusiast realm we opted to go with 8GB of DDR4 memory. The parametric filter finds the best price on 8GB kits of memory that are within AMD’s recommended specifications. We've limited it to DDR4-2800 and DDR4-3000 as Ryzen CPUs scale well with higher frequency memory. At the current time, using memory rated over 3000mhz is not advised without doing extra research as DIMM support can be hit or miss. AMD is working on releasing additional BIOS updates to add better compatibility for higher frequency memory.

Storage

With the rising cost of SSDs and memory we’re making a new recommendation for storage that is a compromise between real-world performance and cost. The parametric filter selects the best priced Hybrid drive with 2TB or more storage capacity. While the hybrid drives are slower on paper than SSDs, their practical performance for gamers will be similar while allowing significantly more storage space per dollar.

GPU

On an 800 dollar (USD) budget, we suggest using the Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB edition. We specifically filter for the 6GB model as the 3GB not only has lower VRAM but also a lower core count leading to lower fps while gaming. The performance across most games will be similar to the AMD RX 570. We've created a parametric filter to show you the lowest priced, full sized GTX 1060 6GB which will be powerful enough for most AAA games at 1080p.

Case

All of the components are housed in the Fractal Design Focus G Mini MicroATX mid Tower. This case is an affordable option that has a large side panel window, front panel USB3.0, room for full size graphics cards, two LED case fans, and cutouts in the motherboard tray for easy cable routing.

PSU

For our power supply, we're using a parametric selection of well-reviewed fully and semi-modular units, all of which will provide more than enough power for this system.

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Estimated Wattage: 270W
Component Selection Base Promo Shipping Tax Price Where
CPU €143.00 FREE €143.00 ARLT Buy
Motherboard
From parametric filter
  • Form Factor: Micro ATX
  • Chipset: AMD B350
  • RAM Slots: 4 - 16
  • Onboard USB3.0 Headers: Yes
€67.83 €6.99 €74.82 Mindfactory Buy
Memory
From parametric filter
  • Speed: DDR4-2800, DDR4-3000
  • Type: 288-pin DIMM
  • Size: 8GB (2x4GB)
€77.50 Free two-day shipping with Amazon Prime €77.50 Amazon Deutschland Buy
Storage
From parametric filter
  • Capacity: 2TB - 12TB
  • Type: Hybrid
  • Form Factor: 3.5"
€94.90 €94.90 Caseking Buy
Video Card
From parametric filter
  • Chipset: GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
  • Length: 223mm - 403mm
€324.96 Free two-day shipping with Amazon Prime €324.96 Amazon Deutschland Buy
Case €44.41 €6.99 €51.40 Mindfactory Buy
Power Supply €93.53 €6.99 €100.52 Mindfactory Buy
Base Total: €846.13
Shipping: €20.97
Total: €867.10
* Using your selected merchants and only including nearby in-store pickup prices)
* Some physical dimension restrictions cannot (yet) be automatically checked, such as cpu cooler / RAM clearance with modules using tall heat spreaders.

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ryanthetall 4 points 1 month ago

Hello! I'm new to building PC's (still planning out my first build) and I'm interested in building something very similar to this. I've heard that the Ryzen benefits from dual-channel memory, which is why you suggested 2x4gb rather than 1x8gb, I think. If I wanted to upgrade memory sometime in the future, how much would it benefit the performance overall? Would I buy additional 2x4gb of memory? Keep in mind that I will mainly use this build for gaming.

gomark 9 points 1 month ago

Typically whatever RAM you buy now, yeah you'd buy the same again later (effectively doubling the total when you upgrade), whether that's an additional 2x4gb, or an additional 1x8gb, or whatever.

In terms of performance benefits from more RAM, it very much depends what you're doing. Heavier multitasking, and a few especially demanding titles on higher settings, will make good use of more than 8gb RAM - but most current/recent games on their own do ok with 8gb.

That may change fairly quickly in the next couple of years, of course, but right now I'd say 8gb is generally a decent start. If you eventually want to game at ultra settings with a dozen browser tabs and a couple apps open, then yeah, plan on working towards 16gb (and probably a higher-powered CPU/GPU!) further down the line.

Re: single- vs dual-channel, running dual-channel memory (e.g. 2x4gb sticks instead of 1x8gb for the same total RAM) can have a slight speed advantage in certain scenarios. However, in gaming - and especially gaming with 'modest' builds like this one - you're unlikely to notice much of difference as far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong, someone!).

The decision in most cases comes down to a question of initial budget vs. available motherboard slots: if a mobo only has two RAM slots (DIMMs), and you can only stretch to 8gb RAM to start off, you're probably best off getting a single 8gb stick with a view to maybe adding another later. But if the mobo has four DIMMs (as this one does, by the looks of it), you can put 2x4gb sticks in now, and still have room to add another 2x4 later.

A potential benefit of dual-channel worth bearing in mind is that if one stick fails, you can still at least get the system up and running on the remaining good stick. Not so if you've only got one installed and that goes bad.

(Side note: when picking up two sticks to run in dual channel - say, two lots of 4gb for a total of 8gb - buying a '2x4gb kit' is always a better idea than buying two separately packaged 4gb sticks. The modules in a kit were made together, and come packaged together, so you know they're gonna play nice as a pair.)

Whatever you choose, it's important to check the RAM QVL (qualified vendor list) on the motherboard manufacturer website to make sure the product number of the RAM you're buying is on there. Some RAM vendors also have a reverse version of this QVL for mobos; always worth checking that out too if it's available.

gomark 4 points 1 month ago

(Sorry, for clarity: DIMMs would generally refer to the RAM modules themselves - DIMM slots are what I meant to say when talking about mobos!)

ryanthetall 2 points 1 month ago

Thank you very much! Your comment was incredibly helpful! I'll definitely look into upgrading the CPU/GPU down the line as I'm looking at more RAM. I really appreciate you taking the time to comment.

gomark 2 points 1 month ago

Most welcome. Enjoy!

flyboy59 2 points 1 month ago

16gb of memory is about as much as you’d ever need (aleast for a few years) and if you building a budget pc, spending money on 16gb of ram would be a bit of a waste. But, (if I'm inderstanding what you’re saying) 4x4gb of ram IS better then 2x8gb. (and it follows that 16x1 is the best) Though make sure your motherboard can fit 4 slots of ram, and the CPU allows it. And, of course, its the same ddr as the motherboard/CPU

Not a pro with computers, so i’d wait for comformation (from a reliable source) that this is true.

gomark 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah I'd certainly start off with 8gb on a modest build intended mainly for gaming, agreed.

16gb is arguably the sweet spot for heavier multitasking and a few very demanding games, but for the most part 8gb seems a perfectly reasonable starting point wherever budgets are tighter.

Lobsterareawesome 6 Builds 1 point 24 days ago

actually newer games use more than 8GB of memory. hardware unboxed made a video about it

realitydroid 2 Builds 2 points 22 days ago

8GB is still the minimum. Not the best, but those games will still work fairly well on 8GB. I'm waiting for prices to drop to something a little more affordable before I go 16GB.

gomark 1 point 21 days ago

Oh absolutely, I'm thinking in terms of 'if you're on something of a budget and want to get started now' - in that case, 8gb is ok for most stuff currently, and will be for a little while yet.

There'll pretty much always be something you can't quite run, almost whatever rig you throw down for! But yeah you're right, I'd certainly be looking to upgrade to 16gb in relatively near future if starting with 8gb.

llamafacelukas 1 Build 1 point 18 days ago

Linus Tech Tips does videos showing benchmarks for AAA titles. 99% of them don't use more than 5-6GB of RAM. Most only use 4.5-5GB of onboard RAM to run smooth.

Do the research. Don't pay more than you need for RAM. Getting more than 8GB is still more than enough for just about every game out there. If you're doing video editing/streaming while playing, then 16GB RAM is where you want to head. Otherwise, don't.

Also, "Team" brand RAM has been hitting the reviews as a cheap option with higher timings. So if you're willing and able to pay for ram with lower timings, I'd recommend doing so. Compare different brands at their various frequencies and focus on their timings at various over-clocked speeds.

It's worth researching especially if you're doing heavier gaming/streaming/editing and especially important to buy RAM with lower timings if you're doing 4K gaming and video editing. Again, this is discussed in numerous Tech videos on YouTube and various forums.

Careful not to buy into the hype of having 16GB. Only buy what your system is going to actually need.

Lobsterareawesome 6 Builds 1 point 18 days ago

https://www.techspot.com/article/1535-how-much-ram-do-you-need-for-gaming/page2.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t4uLh2ZK04

I'm sorry but I just don't trust LTT benchmarks videos. They leave out important variables a lot of time. And I have a 1080 Ti so basically no Vram gets offloaded onto the Dram and it uses from 7-9 GB of DRAM most of them time. When it comes down to benchmarks Hardware unboxed just seems more professional and i trust them much more than linus. Read the Article again and tell me that with only 8GB you won't see worse performance. The 16GB hype train was really just hype for quite some time but now times have changed dude ;)

chickenjones44 3 points 1 month ago

Does this build require a fan?

gomark 1 point 1 month ago

Do you mean a CPU cooler, or case fans?

The Ryzen 1400 comes with a stock cooler which should do the job if you're not overclocking. However, I believe it's the Wraith Stealth that comes with the 1400 (the smallest of the various Ryzen stock coolers), so if you ARE overclocking the CPU you may want to upgrade to an aftermarket cooler.

If you mean case fans, the Fractal Focus G Mini comes with two LED front fans - but yes, you'd likely want to add at least one more in the back. You'd still have the option of 1-2 fans up top as well, although you may not need to fill every available case fan slot on this build - none of the components draw crazy power or typically pump out a ton of heat.

I'd say for this exact build, running at stock clock speeds, you could get away with purchasing just one more case fan if that's all you wanted to buy. No real need for an aftermarket CPU cooler at stock speeds either. However, the build includes the b350 motherboard precisely so you can overclock, and if you're doing that then YMMV.

RHBearcat 1 point 22 days ago

Do you have a recommendation on a fan to buy for this?

gomark 1 point 21 days ago

I'm not that experienced with very many different fan brands to be honest - in recent months I've tended to use Fractal's range a lot (mainly because I've been using their cases), and I've been happy with those, although I'm aware they're very much a midrange, fairly budget-friendly option and there's definitely better out there if you want to spend more. I like how Fractal's look and perform, and I'm not a huge fan of RGB fans in general, so they work for me.

RHBearcat 1 point 19 days ago

Ok thank you. I've been reading about a few fans and seen where some people complain about size of fans in regards to fitting. Thanks!

gomark 1 point 18 days ago

Depends entirely on your case specs - I was talking about case fans when I mentioned Fractal, not dedicated CPU/GPU cooling. Nearly all standard case fan spaces are 120mm or 140mm; your case manual (or manufacturer website) will tell you what you can fit where in yours.

People having issues with fan sizes are more likely talking about CPU or GPU air cooling, where the fans are mounted to a chunky heatsink that takes up room inside the case void itself - with those, you have to check measurements and make sure they’re going to fit in your case without blocking off RAM or PCIe slots etc.

Ayee_Juan24 3 points 29 days ago

I'm planning out my first PC build and I'm gonna use this build but how would I know where all the parts go, or is it really obvious. I was wondering if there was a video tutorial on this exact build somewhere would be a lot of help thank you

Luca1414000 3 points 29 days ago

It's not obvious where the parts go imo, but YouTube will make it very easy. Also, I wouldn't do this EXACT build

josue804 1 point 5 days ago

Hello, I was looking to do this exact build, why do you recommend otherwise?

Luca1414000 2 points 5 days ago

Don't get me wrong, this will do very well, but I would change it a bit personally. If you can afford 1500x CPU instead, then get that, and an ssd is always recommended unless your computer has a strict budget. SSDs are expensive but have great benefits over hard drives, like the one in the list. The other thing that I would change is the size of the case and motherboard. This is a personal thing, and I like ATX because there are some very nice atx cases out there. You can also play with the CPU and GPU (graphics card) choice. The Ryzen 3 1200 can handle the 1060 6gb so you can save money there if you don't need the CPU power as much. Or, if you're fine with a less powerful GPU then you can save there too.

thenewwkidd 1 point 2 days ago

I would recommend a 1400 or 1600. In my opinion, the 1500x is not worth the price point, whereas the 1400 is a good budget CPU. If you do decide to go with a Ryzen 3 processor though, I would strongly recommend the 1300x over the 1200 due to the occasional bottleneck. Disclaimer: The 1200 will bottleneck the 1060 in only a few CPU intensive games, but if you don't care about that kind of thing it shouldn't make a difference.

realitydroid 2 Builds 2 points 22 days ago

If you have the extra $50 to spend, get a Ryzen 5 1600. For gaming it's not too miraculous, but everything outside of gaming feels far snappier with it.

Amddragon123 2 points 1 month ago

What's the difference in terms of performance with the Ryzen 1600 and this CPU... I believe there is around a £40 difference in price between the two, is the upgrade worth it? (Talking about FPS performance for games)

gomark 2 points 1 month ago

With this GPU, you'll likely see a slight increase in CPU-heavy games, less so in GPU-bound titles - really just depends on the game. There are a few helpful benchmarking videos on YouTube comparing performance between 1400/1600. Generally, the additional two cores on the 1600 will be much more noticeable in CPU-intensive tasks and multitasking use.

The 1400 paired with a 1060 should be capable of pretty reasonable FPS at 1080p in most games - anything the 1400 struggles with is likely to be a bit of a stretch for the 1060 too (ultra max settings, much higher resolutions etc).

Dan34523 1 point 4 days ago

Actually, higher resolutions are more dependent on the GPU. However, if you will be playing at those resolutions, then you would probably have the budget to go with a better CPU

gomark 2 points 4 days ago

That’s what I said :)

The OP was asking if it’s worth upgrading to a higher CPU for gaming; I’m saying it would be IF certain games are highly CPU-bound, but most games won’t see much of an FPS jump from a better CPU if sticking with this GPU.

Dan34523 1 point 3 days ago

Yeah, I agree. Single threaded performance across these 2 CPUs is quite similar

Grizzly91104 2 points 1 month ago

Hey! Thank you so much to whoever made this. It is a great help. Does anyone know a 1TB hard drive that will work with this build that is a bit cheaper. If so that would be great. Also to use as a pc you need to buy a software like windows 10. Without windows 10 the pc is nothing. Right? Also do you need a cpu cooler for this build. Lastly is there a bit cheaper video card that will work with this build. It would be awesome if someone would respond to this. Thanks!

gomark 2 points 1 month ago

You can use the parametric filters on this site to search for the cheapest version of any component - for storage searches you'd want to use https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#qq=1

Choose the type of hard drive you want using the checkboxes on the left of the page (SSD, HDD, Hybrid like the one featured in this build, etc), and then use the buttons at the top of each column to order them by price, brand, speed, capacity, whatever you like. HDDs will typically be the cheapest, as well as the noisiest and slowest, but they'll certainly get the job done. Ideally don't go lower than 7200RPM speed with an HDD if you can possibly avoid it within your budget.

This model is a very popular 1TB, 7200RPM HDD option with users of this site, and it's cheaper than the Hybrid drive used in the above build: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex

A PC doesn't need Windows 10 to run - you could use another operating system, and free open-source ones do of course exist - but for most users and certainly the majority of gamers, yes Windows 10 will be the simplest and most widely compatible option.

Legit copies of the Windows 10 Home version, either purchased through the Microsoft website (transferrable to new builds) or as an OEM (non-transferrable) version from an approved secondary vendor, will typically set you back somewhere in the region of 90-120 £/$/Euro on top of the cost of any complete build featured on this site.

Grizzly91104 1 point 1 month ago

Thank You! But can you just give me a couple of options of cheaper video cards. I just got into the idea of building a pc. So I am lost and have no idea what each thing means.

gomark 1 point 1 month ago

I can make a couple suggestions, sure - but do keep researching it for a good while before you jump in, and gather as much knowledge/diversity of opinion as you can!

What do you want to do with the PC you're hoping to build, and what's your budget likely to be? Also, important point, what sort of CPU are you considering? Because the best options for GPUs will depend heavily on that - no point sticking a super high-end part with a super low-end part ANYWHERE in your build, since the rig will only be as 'good' in certain applications as its weakest component.

It's generally all about balance (and sticking to a budget!). You can always upgrade later, remember.

By the way, for a cheaper version of this whole rig, it's worth checking out the updated Entry Level AMD Gaming Build at https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/guide/T3Xscf/entry-level-amd-gaming-build

Any of the builds featured on this site you can use as a start point, and swap parts in and out to suit your needs/usage/budget.

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luugrin 2 points 27 days ago

Hi I am new to building PC's. Would this be a decent World of Warcraft configuration? Thank you!

Lobsterareawesome 6 Builds 1 point 24 days ago

I think so yes ;)

Watchrock 2 points 15 days ago

Just bought parts for this build! Super excited! Can anyone point me in the direction of a good tutorial on how to build this? It's my first build and I'm not really sure what I'm doing. I would love a video tutorial.

PapaEzy 1 point 1 month ago

Would I be able to run games like PUBG on high with this? (With good frames)

neverpots 3 points 1 month ago

Probably like med-high setting 1080p no motion blur at 60fps. After the update everything is better so probably you can do high settings just turn off Motion blur. The 1060 6gb is a pretty damn good card so you should be set. Good luck

colinlee1991 1 point 29 days ago

Hi can you recommend another case? Couldn't find this one in my local store. Much thanks!

gomark 2 points 29 days ago

Case choice is a highly personal thing, really - you need to pick your own based on what you want it to look like, and how easy/practical to build in it's likely to be for you.

First and foremost, use the parametric filters on this site at https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/ to narrow it down to ones within your budget, then browse through some of the more popular/higher-rated of those and see what people have said about them in terms of manufacturing quality, ease of build, airflow, looks, cable management, what extras come included etc.

Watch YouTube reviews and unboxings, and gradually whittle it down to two or three that you like the look of and feel will work well for your planned build and experience level.

As a general rule of thumb, smaller cases look super neat but are often a little more finicky to work in, and remember that a smaller (mATX or Mirco ATX) case will usually need to be paired with a smaller mATX mobo, like the pairing featured in this build.

gomark 1 point 29 days ago

(FWIW, I've got my current build in this and I think it's a really great case - excellent cable management, solid fittings and fixtures, decent airflow, nice glass panel. Especially good as I got it at 1/3 off!) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kRDzK8/fractal-design-define-mini-c-tg-microatx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-def-mini-c-bk-tg

colinlee1991 1 point 29 days ago

And I cannot find DD4 with 2800 or higher frequency either. The highest in my store is 2400. Will it affect greatly? Thanks in advance!

gomark 1 point 29 days ago

There's always ongoing debate about RAM speed and how much effect it has (at what levels, on what build, in which tasks etc). Evidence suggests Ryzen responds fairly well to fast RAM, meaning you can potentially squeeze a tiny bit extra out of your CPU if you use very fast stuff, but you may need to manually overclock to achieve this.

But yeah, 2400 is fine for achieving the stated out-of-the-box performance levels. 2400 is still kind of a 'standard' speed for current gen stuff. Once you start incorporating much faster RAM it's kind of hit-and-hope with regards to how much of that extra headroom your CPU/mobo combo is able to use effectively - if you're not interested in manually overclocking it, then you may find your expensive fast RAM effectively gets downgraded to 2400 or 2666 in use by default.

As long as the part number for the RAM you're looking at is specifically included on the Qualified Vendor List (QVL) for your model of mobo (look for the QVL under 'support'/'compatibility' or similar at the mobo manufacturer's website), then no, you certainly won't see any neagtive impact from using 2400 on a modest build such as this.

You may miss out on an extra couple of percent performance at the top end under heavy CPU demand, but given the premium prices currently being charged for 2800+, that's a perfectly acceptable trade-off for many (me included).

Champskee 1 point 29 days ago

I like this build a lot. the only changes I made was going with a Samsung 250gb SSD for the same price and moved to a Mid tower case.

In regards to upgrading this PC down the rode:

---- Is the Micro ATX motherboard going to be a problem when upgrading the CPU? Will it limit my choices?

--- Would I have to Buy a new motherboard/CPU combination and then possible get differently pronged RAM chips if I wanted to go with a stronger CPU down the rode?

Everything else seems easily up-gradable.

gomark 1 point 29 days ago

It's focused around a Ryzen setup, and with it featuring the Ryzen 5 1400 there's plenty of headroom left for upgrades within the same product line both now and in future - you can go as high as Ryzen 7 1800x currently, and we're still only on first-gen products from this line. We'll know more about second gen next year.

So yes, if you wanted to stick with Ryzen then this build and mobo/RAM selection leaves plenty of room for upgrading as things stand. If you preferred to switch to an Intel build at some point, then a different mobo would be on the cards. In that scenario, no reason why the RAM shouldn't be reusable (so long as it was also on the manufacturer's QVL if you did choose to switch the mobo out).

thetomxxl 1 point 28 days ago

I'm going to be doing a build similar to this i have already bought the graphics card before i did any research on what i needs to be able to run. would this build be able to run the Gigbyte GTX 1060 G1? Sorry guys i very new to this

Lobsterareawesome 6 Builds 1 point 24 days ago

Yes, no issues here

robintheide 1 point 27 days ago

Thank you so much for making this! Because I am new to PC gaming and am building my first machine soon, I found this super helpful. I am thinking about going for this build with a smaller HDD and a 120GB SSD additionally for my boot drive. Also, many other sources state that a 550W power supply may be a bit over the top, now I dont know how credible these people are, but is there a way to limit costs on that power supply, or do you believe that it is better not to underspend on a power supply?

gomark 2 points 27 days ago

Never worth skimping on a PSU. If the mobo/CPU combo is the brains of your build, the PSU is the heart. You don't want your lovely new rig that you spent ages planning, saving and shopping for having a coronary on you after two months, frying itself (or worse!) for the sake of making a relatively small saving on an off-brand power supply.

550W is a solid baseline for this build as it gives you plenty of headroom, which is good in itself, with a bit of scope to upgrade components in future without necessarily having to drop another chunk of cash on immediately replacing the PSU. A decent rule of thumb with power requirements is to add together the TDP of your CPU/GPU, then add ~100W (I prefer 150!) for all other components. So for me, being super cautious, I'd be thinking in terms of 65W + 120W + 150W = 335...call it 350W just to leave plenty of headroom, especially if overclocking etc. Sure, it's an overestimate, but I prefer to go that way than to cut it fine.

In future you might like to upgrade to a ~100W CPU, or a ~180W GPU (say, a 1070ti), and/or indulge in a bit of overclocking, so you can quickly see where you'd be getting close to maxing out your power on a 450W PSU and having to buy an entirely new one. It just doesn't make much sense to go a lot lower than 500+ for such a small saving, and it never makes sense to go with a dodgy budget brand for 30-50% lower price either. Even a good PSU is already one of the cheapest elements in your rig, after all.

There's some handy info on 'tiers' of PSU quality here https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/ (key takeaway: most PSU brands don't actually make their own parts, and its important to know which of each brand's products contains better/worse components). You'll also find a better guide to power draw and wattage requirements here https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/199255-how-many-watts-do-i-need-check-here/ and PCIe info for graphics cards here http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm.

Nonaligned 1 point 26 days ago

What settings on games like assassin's creed origins, battlefront 2, and PUBG could this run With? I want to build a gaming pc that is under $1,000 USD. Would this pc be the best for that price range, or would it be recommended to change some parts for it that will add around $200?

mprime-xi 1 point 15 days ago

Does that price range include things like Windows, a monitor, and your peripherals? Remember to budget extra for those, they’ll set you back at least $200 most likely. You are also probably going to want to tinker around with the storage suggested here, these are only guides, and only you know your storage needs.

Nonaligned 1 point 13 days ago

I have a 1080p monitor already, and an external HD. I do need windows, though.

gomark 1 point 13 days ago

FYI, best way to get a guaranteed legit copy of Windows is still direct from the Microsoft website - that way you get a full retail version which you own and can reinstall on any number of future builds (only one at a time, though!), rather than an OEM version which is tied to a specific hardware install and won't transfer easily, if at all, to a later build.

(There's some potential wiggle room re: transferring OEM versions if you can convince Microsoft by phone that you 'legitimately' need to replace your motherboard, for example...but it's a royal pain in the rear, YMMV, and you don't really save much money buying an OEM version over the full retail version anyway - maybe 15% at most).

It'll cost you around 100 ($/£/Euro etc) to get an activation key for the Windows 10 home retail version direct from Microsoft website, which is also a pain - however, in the first instance, you can download and install a non-activated version for free. This has 95% functionality of the paid-for version; you just can't access certain personalisation features, and it'll have a small Microsoft watermark on the desktop until you activate it. Assuming you can live with that, you can still use it perfectly fine while you save up and pay for your activation key later on.

You may not be able to leave it in an unactivated state indefinitely (it's still not clear what official Microsoft policy is on this; there are reports of nagging pop-ups and possible deactivation after a while, but everyone's story seems to vary). However, if budgeting is tight right now, doing it this way will certainly let you get up and running without having to delay your entire build just to pay for the OS up front.

philip staff 10 Builds 2 points 13 days ago

Use of Windows must be done with a legitimate product key.

Per Microsoft:

You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method.

For more information please see: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

gomark 1 point 13 days ago

Oh totally - hope it was clear that’s what I was saying, although in retrospect it may not have been clear enough! Apologies if not :)

Matsozetex 1 Build 1 point 26 days ago

Would personally push for a 1500X due to having a better stock cooler, larger L3 cache (Which helps in gaming) and better stock clocks (Obviously the 1400 can match clocks but it lacks the cache)

TinyBuilder 1 Build 1 point 25 days ago

So just saying, usually a Micro-ATX motherboard, or at least the one I got, only has one slot for the case fan, because of this I had to buy a splitter for the fan cables. There are two case fans and only one slot :D.

In case your wondering (get it, CASE????) the splitter I got was this one : https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-Splitter-Duplicator-Converter-Adapter/dp/B01N0XQ7XC/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1514177150&sr=8-2-spons&keywords=case+fan+splitter&psc=1

And my motherboard is a MSI B350M Gaming Pro Micro ATX motherboard

Just wanted to let you guys know :D

moonrings 1 point 24 days ago

Thinking of doing this with my son as a project/learning experience and so he can use it primarily for Blender and Unity. He is teaching himself how to use them and it is clogging up my laptop. Would this be a good build, and could be use an old 32 inch samsung tv as the monitor? Thanks,

Lobsterareawesome 6 Builds 2 points 23 days ago

This would really be a good build for that. but I would upgrade the CPu to a ryzen 5 1600 6 core CPU in this case. It is compatible with this part list. And maybe get 16GB of memory instead of 8GB. If you have any questions let me know i'm glad to help ;)

RoguePyro 1 point 17 days ago

Its a great build, but get a ryzen 5 1600. You'll want the extra 2 cores for those programs.

MarioMolinito 1 point 23 days ago

Is it okay if I use a different pair of ram stick.....I found one that is 8gb and its cheaper than the current ram stick that is being used for this pc build.... I'm new to pc building. LINK--- https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232419&cm_re=2_%2a_4_ram_sticks-_-20-232-419-_-Product

gomark 1 point 13 days ago

With any RAM purchase, the most important thing is to check that the product code of the RAM you're looking at is listed on the motherboard's QVL (qualified vendor list). This is usually found under 'support' or 'QVL' or 'compatibility' etc on the manufacturer's website for the specific board you're wanting to buy.

If you go with a RAM product that isn't listed there, it doesn't mean it won't work, but it's a bit hit-and-hope. Often it's fine, sometimes it's a bit of a headache. If you want to play totally safe, stick only to RAM modules explicitly listed on the mobo QVL.

Parmesean 1 point 22 days ago

So im planning building this as my first pc and I was wondering about all the stuff I would need to build this for the first time, like are there any cables or other stuff not included that i need to get as well?

Lobsterareawesome 6 Builds 2 points 20 days ago

well not really.. you only need a USB with the OS to install it and you only need philips nr. 2 to install everything

ezaviar 1 point 18 days ago

Loving this build! One question though, will this run most games at 1080p @ 60fps for the most part?

gomark 1 point 18 days ago

For the most part, yes. A handful of especially demanding titles might need you to drop the settings to ‘high’ rather than ‘very high/ultra’ as it’s not the fastest CPU, but it’s not going to cause you an issue (throw down for an upgrade to 1500x or ideally 1600 if you can). Either way a GTX 1060 will chew through most current games at 1080p fairly easily.

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 18 days ago

With ease!

TONE_Em_Out 1 point 18 days ago

I have a questions about the case and the video card the dimensions don’t add up in the descriptions so just wondering if I’m wrong or what also I am new to this and just wanted clarification on the video card size and if it will fit into the case with messing with anything else

gomark 1 point 13 days ago

Hi TONE_Em_Out,

Think you must be misreading something here - the Fractal Focus G Mini featured in this build states a max video card length of 380mm, while the Palit 1060 featured has a length of 252mm, well within limits. It will fit just fine - hope that helps!

zacca12345 1 point 17 days ago

This is my first time think of building a computer, so i have no idea what im doing. What kind of games could this run and how well?

gomark 1 point 13 days ago

Pretty much any current game will run very nicely - up to 60fps, +/- 10-20fps depending on how well optimized the game is, but all extremely playable - at 1080p (ie. a monitor resolution of 1920x1080).

Nayr96 1 point 16 days ago

Should i buy a pc cooler as well? i see one isnt listed on this build. it is my first timing building a computer.

mprime-xi 1 point 15 days ago

This CPU includes a stock cooler. Unless you want to do a serious overclock, which since you’re new I’m not going to recommend, you don’t need anything more powerful. You can always add a comparable 3rd party cooler down the line if needed as well.

Short answer, no you don’t need to buy a cpu cooler.

gomark 1 point 13 days ago

This!

PolluxK01 1 point 15 days ago

boo! the case for this build is out of stock @ both merchants! lol. Guess I'll have to upgrade and get a slightly bigger one. any suggestions?

gomark 2 points 13 days ago

Fractal do some really nice smaller cases IMO, have a look at their website. There are lots of very decent options from other manufacturers for this sort of form factor (mini tower) too. You're not short of choice or quality at this price point or slightly above.

PolluxK01 2 points 13 days ago

Thanks for the reply, the case is back in stock now. After asking for suggestions, I realized the mid tower version of the same case is barely bigger than the one used in this build. So, that is always an option.

Afflictionx28 1 point 15 days ago

I’m new to PC gaming but would like to get into streaming and playing games, I was wondering if this build would be ok for both streaming and gaming

gomark 1 point 13 days ago

Certainly for playing; streaming you may want to look at a slightly beefier CPU. The Ryzen 1600 would be a good choice. This one is very decent, but it depends how much of a workload you're wanting to throw at it.

You can use this tool to compare benchmarks and general stats for various models you're considering - I've put the Ryzen 1400 and 1600 side by side for you, for a quick comparison:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1400-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3922vs3919

Acidsolman 1 point 12 days ago

Hello, what kind of games would you think this can run?

SmallvilleJSA 1 point 11 days ago

Is it okay or possible to change the memory to a 500gb Internal SSD, I am new to this but I do prefer an SSD.

Digglewiggle 1 point 11 days ago

I'm looking to build a PC to play overwatch and CSGO, would this be a good build for me? Also what would be a good monitor to pair with this build? Cheers

_colbra_ 1 point 8 days ago

Probably overkill for overwatch/csgo at 1080p . A 1050 ti should be fine for that. Maybe look at the budget build guide. If you want to play more demanding games or CSGO/overwatch at 1440p this would work great.

Floww_Gaming 1 point 11 days ago

Hi! I am new to building Pc's and would like to build a pc starting at $800 to $1000, this build would include a monitor as well. If anyone has recommendations on builds within these specifications or parts that they would recommend, then reply to this comment with those recommendations. Thanks!

Floww_Gaming 1 point 11 days ago

Also I would like to to have at least a GTX 1060

pabaptista 1 point 10 days ago

Hi! Great build! I've been trying to do a similar build to this one but based on the new Intel i5-8400. What do you think about it? Is it much different from this one performance wise?

Link: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/pabaptista/saved/yfZPsY

lysolmax 1 point 10 days ago

Really interested in building my first PC, but was wondering when a good time to look for deals is? I've noticed the price on this modest build does fluctuate a fair amount. Should I just set price trackers for each component?

pcmoos 1 point 10 days ago

Hello Guys!

I finished my first build based on the "modest gaming pc" and I wanted to share some of my rookie mistakes. Maybe someone can learn from them. First I wanted to mention how great this page and the amazing community helped me to finish my dream.

Mistake 1: colors over specs This was my first build and quite naturally I wanted it to look cool. I picked the master cooler lite 5 rgb with nice led case-fans and a big sidewindow. As red was the color of my choise I went for the msi b350 gaming pro and didn't care much about the specs. I thought motherboards are all the same anyway right? Wrong... With the chosen mobo I ran into some problems. First of it was mini atx. So it looked ridiculously small my huge case. The biggest problem however was that the pc didn't boot after assembling it. I spend over 20 hours trying to find the usual suspects and searching in the internet for solutions. Did I forget to plug in a cable? Does my screen work? I tried all possible combinations with my ram slot. But I couldn't even get into bios. I found out that many people had the same problem with the same of the mobo and a ryzen 5 1600x. One possible solution was that I needed to flash my bios. Another was that my cpu was doa. I didn't have another ddr4 ram at hand to test that. In the end I gave up and switched to an intel i5 7600k and an asus prime z270a mobo. Now everything works just fine. What I learned: specs before colors! It's nice if the design fits but first priority is that everything works together. Also if you have a huge case there is not reason not to get an atx mobo. And last but not least: google possible problems before you buy. That can save you from a lot of headaches. And last but not least: don't save with the motherboard. Quality has its price.

Mistake 2: I hate cpu coolers Besides all the problems I ran into one of the most frustrating experiences I had was with my cpu cooler arctic freezer 13. It was just horrible to install with my and socket, as I couldn't screw it to the mobo, instead I had to clamb it. Anyway it was horrible because while intalling it moved left and right. With my new mobo for intel I was able to screw it to the mobo, but the screws turned out to be trash and I needed quite some force to get them in, which just didn't feel right. Next time I will make sure to read about possible problems beforehand and study the manual before I buy the cooler.

Mistake 3: again those damn cpu-coolers! Last big mistake was a combination of the first one for picking a tiny mobo in combination with my lovely cpu-cooler. It turned out to be so big that it collided with my ram sticks. (Again huge case, micro atx mobo, stupid) I managed to get the ram sticks in but it didn't feel right as the one closest to the cpu was in contact with my cpu cooler.

I know some of you might think: what a noob. But I learned a lot by running into those problems and if I can just help one of all you rookie pc-builders out there it was worth writing about them.

Anyways good luck with your builds. :)

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 10 days ago

Thanks for sharing your experience!

lightvale 1 point 10 days ago

So I’m planning on using this or my next build. Everything looks good to me. It I’ve seen some recommending the 1600 would that make a noticeable impact on performance. Going to use this for gaming and some school work. I’ve also seen that there are very few fan powering ports for the case. Would that matter at all if I got with a bigger case? And if so what would be a good motherboard to use?

gomark 1 point 4 days ago

You’d be unlikely to need anything more powerful for word processing and the majority of current games at reasonably high settings.

Fan headers are on the motherboard, not in the case. You could of course go with a bigger case if you wished - depending on what you pick, this may allow you to go with a full-size ATX motherboard, which would likely have more fan headers on it than most Micro ATX boards do. However you can add in fan splitters or a fan hub if you want to run more fans than you have available headers anyway, so it’s seldom a problem either way.

Spinuchi 1 point 9 days ago

I know next to nothing about pc builds or components.. my current laptop is a POS, and I enjoy gaming, and graphic design. Would this build be a good pick as something to follow for someone who isn't a heavy gamer, nor a professional designer, but someone who wants a powerful enough computer to run not only the games but multiple design programs at once?

Fike 1 point 9 days ago

I would definitely say that this build will work with the very powerful CPU and the 2TB Hardrive. If you're a graphic designer you might want to get an ssd as well if you build this build so your storage is a bit faster. Watch many guides as well if you want a build like you want.

Spinuchi 1 point 8 days ago

Sweet thank You! This is the reason I'm choosing to build a pc, for the ability to upgrade if need be in the future! Just wanted to make sure I'd have a solid rig to start off with.

gomark 1 point 4 days ago

If you’re doing CPU-intensive design stuff like rendering, or running multiple heavy programs at once, you’d likely see a decent boost moving up to a Ryzen 1600. Two more cores and four more threads for an extra 30-ish $/£/Euro

bmann95 1 point 8 days ago

Hey all! My first time building and am considering the above build. I"m looking at subbing the AMD Ryzen 7 1700. Any problems with fit or balance? According to parametric it works. Any feedback?

Thanks!

JuniorxBM 1 point 8 days ago

Could this PC run games such as Rainbow 6 Seige, Destiny 2, and PUBG?

JuniorxBM 1 point 8 days ago

Can it run games such as Destiny 2, PUBG, Overwatvh, Rainbow 6S, etc.?

pabaptista 1 point 7 days ago

It will be able to play all of those. Not sure if it will be able to play all those with the details maxed out tho

wizardwarlord 1 point 7 days ago

Hi:

I am looking for a good and cheep pc built that can run a few good games. Can this computer run fortnite at at least 40fps?

Bryce88 1 point 6 days ago

Looking at doing this build. It will be my first and mu budget is right around 1k, i assume this will run pretty much all games at high settings and have good fps? Definitely want to play pubg and some newer games coming out in the future. Also with this build to upgrade down the line would that be a easy thing to do?

alexfromscotland 1 point 6 days ago

Hello, I just found this site - it's a great idea, I found the parts picker list to be useful.

About this build, I found a similar intel based build recommended on another website, something like this: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/alexfromscotland/saved/nqbD8d

It comes in marginally cheaper. From what I read there shouldn't be much in it between the i3 8100 and the Ryzen 5 1400, is there anything I am missing?

It also swaps out the larger HD for a smaller SSD, I guess that will come down to your preference on what you will use the pc for, realistically if I went for a 256GB SSD I would probably want to budget for a second hard drive.

One question on the GPU. There is quite a big price jump from 1060 to 1070, is this partly due to those damn blockchainers? - any thoughts on whether it's worth forking out for the 1070, or is there another option upgrading on the 1060? To be honest I will be gaming in 1080p and I don't really need ultra high settings so probably 1060 is fine for me.

(note - I am a noob and barely understand the terms I am using!)

SemiUltra 1 point 5 days ago

Is this PC good for the average gamer of pubg fortnite and csgo? Im thinking about this being my first build. Also, do I need every part listed, or should i modify it to get a better performance?

RYANP23 1 point 4 days ago

Hey guys! Would I need to add extra case fans to this one or not? Also, would I need an aftermarket CPU cooler or will the stock AMD one do? Thanks

RazlDazlRalph 1 point 2 days ago

Noob question. Do you still need to add parts for audio and internet/wifi connection with a build like this?

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 2 days ago

You would need to add an adapter for wifi.

bmann95 1 point 2 days ago

What about wired internet?
Thanks.

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 2 days ago

wired is part of the motherboard.

bmann95 1 point 2 days ago

Thanks! Most of the parts are ordered, went with the Ryzen 7 1700. Build will start next month.
Appreciate your build guides and feedback.

Maddiestanley 1 point 9 hours ago

Could you stream and run overwatch w a build like this?

manirelli staff submitter 8 Builds 1 point 5 hours ago

Absolutely.

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