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Intel gave up

pqorer1

3 months ago

They gave up on 10nm. What?

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  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

They haven't?

Even the original rumor article states:

... Intel is proud to announce its successful production in 10 nm with the mobile Ice Lake processors...

The following is a statement from Intel provided by Tom's Hardware:

We continue to make great progress on 10nm, and our current roadmap of 10nm products includes desktop.

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  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah? What about AMD do it once every two years? It could just be a difference in the way they measure it, but still

Also, how about improvements in IPC, instruction set and microarchitecture? There's more than cores and threads

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Yeah? What about AMD do it once every two years? It could just be a difference in the way they measure it, but still

Ryzen, Samsung/Globalfoundries 14nm LPE+/++/+++/14nm LPP.

Ryzen APU, Samsung/Globalfoundries 14nm LPP.

Ryzen+, Globalfoundries 12nm LP/Samsung 14nm LPP+++/Samsung 12nm LPP. Bunch of names for the same process

Ryzen 2, TSMC 7nm DUV.

Architecture wise Ryzen, Threadripper, Ryzen+, and Threadripper+ are all the same.

The firmware for each generation has improved allowing better cache latency and improved boost clocks.

Ryzen 2 takes the same base architecture, fixes the cache design that was faulty on the earlier generations, doubles up on speculative prefetch with double the cache size, and updates the instructions.

Also, how about improvements in IPC, instruction set and microarchitecture? There's more than cores and threads

AMD has made one arguable jump since Ryzen launched the rest was firmware and process improvements.

If you look before Ryzen they had been on Globalfoundries 32nm FDSOI, and Globalfoundries 28nm bulk for years and years, with a similar iterative update for each generation launched.

Most of what you will see from both sides about each generation is hype.

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  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Looks like IBM might have to (or are they switching to TSMC as well)?

Intel certainly is shipping 10nm for laptops, and as far as I know Intel's priorities are sever>>laptop>>desktop (desktop have the least amount of profit by far), so they might not care enough to do the work to get the frequencies back up (or don't want to ship a sunnycove desktop with frequencies lower than Zen2/3 [which ever is out when 10nm desktop would launch].

I suspect they will finally get this working, but even then 7nm should be getting close (the big issue is likely EUV, which once they get it working for 10nm should solve most of the issues leading to 7nm).

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Looks like IBM might have to (or are they switching to TSMC as well)?

Samsung, same processes that they were working with Globalfoundries on, are still funding R&D with as part of their strategic partnership, and unlike TSMC accepting new orders for sooner then 2021.

Also helps Samsung is working on their third generation of 7nm EUV/5nm early.

TSMC is struggling to juggle customer orders well revamping production for EUV, and forcing customers to finalize orders for next year or lose their spot in the line till 2021.

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