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First Build - Home PC

gr1m_reaper

8 days ago

  • Budget: Under $600

  • Location: Arizona, USA

  • Use: mostly internet browsing, storing photos, general home office applications, possibly some video streaming, but also for the kids to play some games (fortnite, minecraft, roblox, etc)

  • Peripherals required: need gamer keyboard & mouse, and a printer too if you have any recommendations, already have a Dell 24" monitor

  • Case: black w/side window and lighting

  • Operating System required: Windows 10

  • Other: Needs built-in wifi, speed is probably most important to me, capability to upgrade later when the kids start playing more advanced games, also I have a 10-yr old pc but I doubt it would be worth re-using any of the outdated components? But let me know if anything could be re-used to save a little money.

Comments

  • 8 days ago
  • 3 points

This is the best I could do. I don't know anything about printers, so I can't help on that deparment. Hope this is useful.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor $64.99 @ Newegg Business
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $74.99 @ Amazon
Memory GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $63.99 @ Newegg
Storage Crucial - BX500 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $19.99 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $45.25 @ OutletPC
Video Card PowerColor - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Red Devil Video Card $126.00 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case $39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $32.97 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $99.39 @ OutletPC
Keyboard Logitech - K120 Wired Standard Keyboard $8.88 @ OutletPC
Mouse Logitech - G203 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse $26.90 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $630.34
Mail-in rebates -$27.00
Total $603.34
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-15 13:11 EDT-0400
  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

cool - thanks! i would also need wi-fi. are there any similar cases that would fit this build? if i bumped up my budget to $800, what would be the areas to upgrade?

  • 8 days ago
  • 2 points

CPU, SSD, PSU, and RAM (RAM shown isn't good for Ryzen, it likes faster memory, and the 3000 is only $9 more).

  • 8 days ago
  • 2 points

This is what I'd personally do.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $161.68 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $74.99 @ Newegg
Memory Team - Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $72.89 @ OutletPC
Storage Crucial - BX500 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $49.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $45.25 @ OutletPC
Video Card PowerColor - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Red Devil Video Card $126.00 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $40.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $119.99 @ Dell
Wireless Network Adapter Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter $35.65 @ OutletPC
Keyboard Logitech - K120 Wired Standard Keyboard $8.88 @ OutletPC
Mouse Logitech - G203 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse $26.90 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $825.19
Mail-in rebates -$22.00
Total $803.19
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-15 15:20 EDT-0400
  • 8 days ago
  • 3 points

Here we go, this should cover it nicely. I wasn't able to fit a printer in to the budget, or at least, didn't look hard enough I guess.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $79.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $67.99 @ Newegg
Memory GeIL - EVO SPEAR 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $63.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $45.25 @ OutletPC
Case Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case $39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $59.99 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit $139.99 @ Amazon
Wireless Network Adapter TP-Link - Archer T6E AC1300 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter $32.99 @ Amazon
Keyboard Cooler Master - Lite L Wired Gaming Keyboard With Optical Mouse $55.85 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $586.03
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-15 13:44 EDT-0400
  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

Awesome - thank you! Just a couple questions (forgive me if these are dumb questions!): 1) this setup does not need a separate video card because the cpu has integrated graphics, right? and this would be satisfactory for basic gameplay?

2) what is the difference between Windows 10 Home Full and Windows 10 OEM?

3) the cooler master case has RGB, right? are there any similar cases that would fit this build?

4) if i bumped up my budget to $800, what would be the areas to upgrade?

  • 8 days ago
  • 3 points

Nah, these aren't stupid questions, believe me. Anyways, to answer them:

  1. You are correct, this setup does not need a separate graphics card. The Ryzen 3 2200G has integrated graphics that can do some pretty good gaming for the price, and considering that the graphics are integrated, you're getting a pretty good deal right there. Here's a video showing the capabilities of the VEGA 8 graphics integrated into the CPU die.

  2. The difference between Windows 10 Home Full and OEM is what you're able to do in the sense of upgrading. Wanna change your motherboard in the future but buy a new copy of Windows? Go with the Full. If you don't see yourself doing that in the near future, however, then OEM is probably the way to go. Then again, it's all up to you. Basically, the OEM version is much, much more limited on how extensive your upgrades are. You can read more about that here.

  3. I think the case has RGB. I can't find any documentation stating that it does, but all the pictures and videos I've seen show it with RGB lighting inside. So...I think it does? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

  4. In the range of upgrades you'd be able to make with the extra $200 in your budget, you'd be able to add some more RAM (but for basic home use and the range of gaming I'm expecting you to have, 16 is plenty), a better CPU (Ryzen 5 2400G), and add an SSD into the mix if you want (faster drive). Below are two options within the realm of possibilities of upgrades with the extra cash:

Option 1: No RGB Inside

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor $119.99 @ Walmart
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $119.99 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $79.99 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital - Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $64.99 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $45.25 @ OutletPC
Case Cooler Master - Elite 110 Mini ITX Tower Case $51.98 @ SuperBiiz
Power Supply Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $59.99 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit $139.99 @ Amazon
Wireless Network Adapter TP-Link - Archer T6E AC1300 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter $32.99 @ Amazon
Keyboard Cooler Master - Lite L Wired Gaming Keyboard With Optical Mouse $55.85 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $771.01
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-16 07:19 EDT-0400

Option 2: RGB Inside

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 1300X 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $98.76 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $67.99 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $79.99 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital - Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $64.99 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $45.25 @ OutletPC
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX 550 - 512 2 GB Video Card $99.99 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $39.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $59.99 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full - USB 32/64-bit $139.99 @ Amazon
Wireless Network Adapter TP-Link - Archer T6E AC1300 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter $32.99 @ Amazon
Keyboard Cooler Master - Lite L Wired Gaming Keyboard With Optical Mouse $55.85 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $785.78
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-16 07:22 EDT-0400

The main difference between the two is the size. Option one has a much smaller form factor, so if you're kinda tight on space, that's the way to go. The other option has the same case from last time, but also a separate graphics card, as sometimes that will be better in the long run if you're looking at future-proofing your build.

Anyways, I hope this helped, and goodness, this was a long response.

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

wow - thanks for taking the time to do this! this is extremely helpful! there are just SO many options that it can get a bit overwhelming. i'm ready to pull the trigger on my first build! so now i just need to choose which route to go. hmmm......

  • 5 days ago
  • 1 point

Yeah, no problem! It really doesn't take a while, so there's that. Personally, I think I'd go with option 2 from my updated list, the one with the larger case, since the dedicated graphics card will be better for future-proofing. Not only that, but larger cases can give off better thermals since there's more room for airflow. Of course, if you're restricted by space, that option probably won't be suited for you.

  • 5 days ago
  • 1 point

If i get the B450 Aorus Pro Wifi motherboard then i don't need to also get a wireless network adapter as well, right?

  • 8 days ago
  • 2 points

CPU, SSD, and RAM (RAM shown isn't good for Ryzen, it likes faster memory, and the 3000 is only $9 more).

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

With an $800 budget, you could go something like this:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor $118.40 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock - B450 GAMING-ITX/AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard $109.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill - Sniper X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $71.48 @ Newegg
Storage Intel - 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $62.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Gaming 4G Video Card $109.99 @ Newegg
Case Thermaltake - Core V1 Mini ITX Desktop Case $43.51 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $63.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $129.99 @ B&H
Keyboard Redragon - K552-R KUMARA Wired Gaming Keyboard $36.99 @ Amazon
Mouse Logitech - G203 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse $26.78 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $814.00
Mail-in rebates -$40.00
Total $774.00
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-21 10:55 EDT-0400

That gives you a pretty good build for 1080p at high settings in a small form factor.

A little over budget, but a larger form factor with a nicer motherboard and case:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor $118.40 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard $139.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill - Sniper X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $71.48 @ Newegg
Storage Intel - 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $62.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Gaming 4G Video Card $109.99 @ Newegg
Case Phanteks - ECLIPSE P350X ATX Mid Tower Case $68.53 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $63.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $129.99 @ B&H
Keyboard Redragon - K552-R KUMARA Wired Gaming Keyboard $36.99 @ Amazon
Mouse Logitech - G203 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse $26.78 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $869.02
Mail-in rebates -$40.00
Total $829.02
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-21 10:59 EDT-0400

If you need more storage right away, you can cut out the GPU and go with the weaker Ryzen 5 2400G, which is still fairly capable for the price. It has 4 more threads and a stronger GPU than the Ryzen 3 2200G.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6 GHz Quad-Core Processor $135.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard MSI - B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard $139.99 @ Amazon
Memory Patriot - Viper 4 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $79.99 @ Amazon
Storage Intel - 660p Series 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $109.99 @ Newegg
Case Phanteks - ECLIPSE P350X ATX Mid Tower Case $68.53 @ Newegg Business
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $63.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $129.99 @ B&H
Keyboard Redragon - K552-R KUMARA Wired Gaming Keyboard $36.99 @ Amazon
Mouse Logitech - G203 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse $26.78 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $812.13
Mail-in rebates -$20.00
Total $792.13
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-21 11:06 EDT-0400

Just a few ideas for you.

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor -- chose this because of the integrated graphics and it is satisfactory for my intended use.

CPU COOLER: Not needed with this setup, correct?

MOTHERBOARD: Gigabyte - B450 AORUS M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard -- has good reviews and satisfies the requirements for this build.

MEMORY: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory -- seems like the best choice and will not need to upgrade later.

STORAGE: Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive -- also seems like the best choice and will not need to upgrade later.

VIDEO CARD: Using the integrated Radeon Vega 8.

CASE: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300 MicroATX Mini Tower Case -- good size, looks good, and has RGB.

PSU: Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply -- good bang for the buck and meets my needs.

WI-FI: Gigabyte - GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter -- the best reviews I found to meet my needs.

KEYBOARD/MOUSE: Redragon - S101 Wired Gaming Keyboard With Optical Mouse -- the kids like it...

ADDITIONS: I think what I have listed above will get us going and keep the kids satisfied, and then in another paycheck or two, I will add a 2TB hard drive and upgraded graphics card.

FUTURE UPGRADES: This process has opened my eyes to the possibilities out there and has caused me to wonder why I have bought so many pre-built PCs in the past without understanding the components. I'm already looking forward to giving this setup to the kids and creating one just for me!

What do you think??

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

It's a good list. I might be tempted to spend another $30 and get a 1 TB SSD, such as the Intel 660p or Crucial P1, but what you have is fine.

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

thank you! would you mind explaining the benefits of having a good SSD instead of and/or in addition to an internal hard drive?

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

also the reasons someone would use M.2, please!

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

SSD's are faster, period. Changing from a hard drive to an SSD makes a significant improvement in just about anything that hits storage: booting, app loading, interactive file management, etc etc. I got an extra 2+ years out of a 2009 iMac simply by replacing the hard drive with an SSD.

SSD's come in a couple form factors and a couple interface types. The common desktop form factors are 2.5 inch and m.2, and the common interfaces are SATA and NVMe. 2.5" drives are almost universally SATA, m.2 can be SATA or NVMe. NVMe is faster on paper but in practice for gaming it doesn't make much difference. It used to be that SATA drives were a lot cheaper, but the price differential is starting to disappear and the new round of m.2 NVMe 1TB drives are just as cost effective as many of the older 2.5" SATA drives.

If you're only installing one or two drives, it doesn't matter a whole lot which form factor you pick. If you want NVMe then you have to use m.2.

By the way, in my opinion more SSD beats faster SSD; the ideal is a computer with no spinning hard drives. SSD's are still too expensive if you need many terabytes of storage, though, and for those situations you're still looking at hard disk.

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

so would it be possible to add a second SSD later on to increase the storage/speed? and if so, does multiple SSDs affect whether you need to get 2.5in or m.2? i thought i saw somewhere the m.2 takes up multiple slots (i could be way wrong). to make a long story short - essentially i just want fast bootup/loading with the ability to play kids games (minecraft/roblox), etc. as far as storage goes, i will just need a lot of space for photos. this build will mostly just be the family computer that the kids play on as well. later on, i plan to build the gaming computer i actually want!

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

You can certainly add more SSD's. The issue with NVMe (not m.2 generically) is that each NVMe SSD takes up PCIe lanes, and PCIe lanes are a scarce resource. That's why your typical motherboard will have a limited number of NVMe capable m.2 slots, usually one or two. There's no particular electrical reason to limit the number of SATA-only m.2 slots, but m.2 does take up motherboard space. Bottom line is that most desktop motherboards will have one NVMe-only m.2 slot, and one that's either SATA-only or dual interface. A few motherboards might have 3 m.2 slots but that's relatively rare.

If you're going to add a bunch of SSD's, you'll probably need the bulk of them to be SATA; and given the limited number of m.2 slots on most motherboards, you'll need many of them to be 2.5". (Just as a point of reference, my development machine has a pair of NVMe m.2 SSD's and 3 2.5" SATA SSD's; if I add more storage it will have to be SATA since my motherboard only has 2 m.2 slots.)

For your specific case, what you do depends on what "a lot of space for photos" means to you. If you have 1-2 TB of photos then going all SSD is plausible. If you have much more than 2 TB, you probably will end up with at least one large capacity hard drive, e.g. a 4 TB or larger unit, simply for cost reasons. SSD still can't touch the low cost per gigabyte of large hard drives.

Edited to add: you can actually get PCIe add-in cards with m.2 mounting slots, if you have available PCIe lanes. So technically, you may be able to add more m.2 SSD's beyond what the motherboard has built in. For your average desktop build, I can't see the point in trying to do such a thing because you generally won't have the right mix of available PCIe card slots and available lanes unless you're doing a HEDT (high end desktop) build with a CPU such as Threadripper or Skylake-X that has more available PCIe lanes than the usual desktop Intel or AMD CPU's.

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

thank you! i think i'm going to go with the Brother!

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

About the printer: do you need color? If monochrome is good enough, I'd definitely avoid inkjet and get a laser printer. Brother makes some very good and inexpensive monochrome laser printers. If you need very occasional color, I'd seriously consider whether you can go with a b&w printer and take your occasional color printing to a service (e.g. Kinko's). Color inkjets have nice output, but inkjets in general are a gigantic pain in the patoot if you don't print regularly -- and if you do, they cost a fortune in ink. If you print in color regularly, you are probably looking at either an inkjet and lots of profanity, or a color laser which can be had for $350-ish last I looked, but doesn't have as nice output.

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

good question - probably a majority in monochrome (documents, schoolwork, copying/scanning, etc). never really been a fan of printing photos from home. i think i'm going to go with Brother, for sure!

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

near a microcenter?

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

unfortunately no, none in AZ

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

ok

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