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Can i survive without leaving my Windows 7?

KarmAngel

3 months ago

Hi everyone ^_^

Simple as that.

My laptop is rocking a Windows 7.

In the beggining of 2020, i heard that support to WIndows 7 is going to end.

I never updated my OS but i heard that if i didn't changed my OS to windows 8, 8.1 or 10, i would lose my access to the internet.

Is this right??

Am i going to be forced to change my OS, just because of my access to the internet?

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  • 3 months ago
  • 4 points

Unless your ISP has a supported-Windows-only policy, and I've never heard of anything like that being enforced, no you won't be cut off from the Internet. You will however be potentially vulnerable to security issues since no new patches will go out.

Newer hardware won't run Windows 7 anyway, so you're going to have to make the switch eventually. I loathe Windows, but win 10 is sorta kinda tolerable for casual use IMO, you might as well plan on jumping to 10.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Eventually. It's just... it's expensive. Microsoft is asking to much for a windows 10.

  • 3 months ago
  • 3 points

Microsoft is asking to much for a windows 10.

What would be a price that you think is fair for Microsoft to charge? I've been a staunch defender of MS charging over 100$ for their OS and I always like to hear opinions of those I disagree with. It helps me evolve my opinion and I'd love if you could detail what price is fair, and perhaps why you believe $100+ isn't fair?

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

100 $ or € would be the maximum price to them come up with.

Of course, creating Windows 10 wasn't an easy task for Microsoft, it was time consuming and maybe really expensive to come up with.

But their price for the W10, is just too high, nonetheless. We (consumers) always would love to have the OS from the creator itself, but if it's price was a little lower and more accessible to the public in general.

What you will end up with, is facing a bunch of people buying W10 from third party stores (with much and much lower prices) or even people having a pirated version W10.

If the price isn't appealing, what's the point of all the work to create the OS then?

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

I sort of agree with the OP, because it sure looks like oems about get it for free. Why can I buy a refurb win10 PC for 150. I bet they are not selling that PC to me for 50 bucks. If true why should I pay a huge amount more. I mean a discount is one thing but come on. When I was young a company could go buy stuff wholesale and get a discount, you can't really do that much anymore that business model is gone. I know MS needs to make money, just seems to be tilted here.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

If true why should I pay a huge amount more.

Well you're not an OEM and that's just not how things work. But let's say what if, MS says alright we'll charge OEM's $100 per license. And they're just going to pass the price on to you. Well he at least you're not paying more than the OEM's right. How did it improve your situation?

I mean that's at least as valid as the wishful thinking, "MS should charge individual's OEM license prices. IE lower our cost." But why is that the automatic assumption? Are so many more individuals going to buy Windows licenses now? Because it doesn't seem to me that MS really needs to replace the cost of a license with high volume...

OEM's are selling a high volume of licenses, and they're basically stuck offering Windows anyway, because if you don't you're only going to be a niche player at best, or bankrupt. And your competitors will be happy to goggle up the business you've driven away. And the low prices buy OEM's drive a ton of sales to MS, because people are locked in and aren't going to think about changing if they're not forced to. That relationship is self-sustaining. It's pretty basic bulk pricing.

Individuals will almost never be eligible for that pricing, even though they might pine for it.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

100 $ or € would be the maximum price to them come up with.

yes but based on what? or the number you suggest is just arbitrary because in your current financial situation you feel comfortable paying $100, which I'm certainly not ragging on, it's just arbitrarily assigning value based on personal situations obviously doesn't fit in a global sense.

Of course, creating Windows 10 wasn't an easy task for Microsoft, it was time consuming and maybe really expensive to come up with.

Well, it probably was, but even if it wasn't, and it was the easiest thing in the world, it's still their IP and their creation.

We (consumers) always would love to have the OS from the creator itself, but if it's price was a little lower and more accessible to the public in general.

Well then why not give it away for free? (Kinda like how they did, though that was obviously about market penetration, rather than profitability). This is my side, what's cheaper? $10? Okay why $10? Why not $25? How about $30? Why $40 and not $50? It's all arbitrary when we consumers say "I want this product cheaper!" and in all fairness, it's not like consumers have the market research/testability to determine a "fair" price like the corporations certainly do, so it makes sense we assign a value based upon our own situations, and at the most we could attribute value based upon previous dealings (Which, I don't believe is inherently better, but it does show prior research at the least) but it's not a reliable system in determining price structure, my own personal financial situation, whether I'm poor or rich, should have no bearing on the market price of a product, because not only is in impractical (How would you even have the knowledge of everybody's financial situation, and if set by user, richer people could get it cheaper and game the system) but it's also not consumer friendly, as much as we all believe that cheaper prices are best for consumers we know full well that they're not (Considering products need to be made, even digital products need to be coded/programmed for, and peoples time has value, specific equipment has value, land has value, so many things we don't think about that goes into product design/manufacturing has value) and it's not possible to achieve cheaper pricing without devaluing humans or devaluing processes (Like programming, or coding, Which is exactly what we see in the clothing industry, ever wonder why you can buy 10$ shoes? because there are human slaves making them).

What you will end up with, is facing a bunch of people buying W10 from third party stores (with much and much lower prices) or even people having a pirated version W10

Yes, you will, and that's not the fault of the creator, we have people who can't afford basic items like food in this world, do they all steal? No. When they do steal do we blame the bakeries because they're charging 3$ for the bread? No. We blame the person who stole, and we can argue about the ethical nature of stealing for survival, sure, but regardless of if we believe they should do what they can to survive, they're still responsible for actually doing the crime.

This is the same here, except even less important because it's a computer operating system not bread. If people don't like the price of windows, it's not an excuse to steal windows, it's also not an excuse to buy it on the cheap from a location that won't give any of the money to its rightful owners. Whether or not you personally will steal it or buy it from a grey-market doesn't really matter it's your own personal choice, but you can't expect companies to cater to people like that.

If the price isn't appealing, what's the point of all the work to create the OS then?

Because it provides a necessary function to hundreds of millions of consumers world wide? The price isn't appealing to you, and maybe you could find 10,000 other people who all agree with you, hell you could find one million people who all agree with you, you're still just a fraction of Microsoft consumers, it would make zero sense for Microsoft to cater to a demographic which is perfectly willing to steal its products, the moment they don't get what they want. (Not saying you're going to steal or you're okay with stealing it's just a general statement to people who have the mindset you talked about)

Look, I get that 130$ or whatever your regional equivalent is, can be expensive, I get it's a lot easier to justify, paying the 10% from a key reseller because "it's just software, they have an infinite supply". I understand that completely, but you can't expect a company to bend to your demands, considering you're not even willing to pay them for the product they're providing. We can argue about the "value" of windows, but the fact is, it provides as I said earlier, hundreds of millions of people, the ability to use their computers, sure other operating systems exist, but clearly there's a reason for Windows market dominance.

Windows might not have value to you, or perhaps it does but not enough to justify the money, which is absolutely okay but that ain't any reason to steal it. If you genuinely believe Microsoft is charging too much for windows, you know what the best thing to do is as consumer? Use their competitor. If MS sees decreasing market share, they'll be willing to make concessions, but for as long as you pirate it or buy from an unauthorised 3rd party, your voice ain't gonna be very loud.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Look. My financial situation is fine. I'm paying for my upcoming build PC the W10 and Office.

But this laptop, with W7, is hard to justify the upgrade, with such price.

I'm sure, wether my financial position is good or bad or that you are affected by it or not, a person can have an opinion about it. Even if you don't need such product, you can criticise it's price for being high.

I would say, 100$ or € are the maximum for W10. More than that is just a theft for the costumers.

I know, there are many costs involved in creating it and there's a lot of people working on it with many specialists, but still.... too much.

Ah, another thing (and don't get it mistaken). I don't support theft or slavery work. I'm certainly against people robbing (but with your example of robbing food, it's another context, it's just not simply theft, but it's a question of misery and survival, which many of those people living on such misery, didn't have a choice or any oportunity, but that's just an complex subject abouth ethics) or selling stuff with those low prices, that are supported with human slavery.

I don't support these kind of activities, i always worked hard, saved money (that's what made me to buy my PC build parts) and try to be honest.

I don't understand, why did you bring up that to the table or what do you think that i am... Don't you dare to compare to such corrupt practices... No one asked for the extremely cheaper prices or the pirated versions of it.

The same goes for companies that are charging more for their products than what they really would be valued... It's a legal theft (to put in some nice words), but not great for the consumers in my point of view.

MS needs competition in this matter. Always charging more than the products actually are valuable.

Of course, me, can't use any more OS besides windows, so i'm kinda screwed on it. But what i don't want of MS is to be another Apple.

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

I believe reading online you still can get windows 10 for free if you have 7.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

I will search that. If that's actually true, it's more than worth to upgrade.

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

$100-$149 (depending on license) for a piece of software you're going to use extensively every minute you're using the machine is not too much to ask. The problem is you don't seem to equate the OS with bringing value to the machine.

It's not your fault though, when you buy a prebuilt or laptop the cost of Windows is obfuscated with the rest of the price of the machine. And depending on when you buy an OS it can be 5-10 years before you need to upgrade. And depending on the license you can use it across several machines without re-buying it. So eventually when you do have to shell out for a new license, yeah, ugh, what a pain. Not sure what MS can do about that consumer sentiment, but ti's something they've had working against them since the dawn of time...

But arguably there is some perspective there that should dull the pain.

But in the same token in my late teens and early twenties, I hated buying Windows too. But now that I'm in my late 30's I've got no interest in pirating it or any nonsense like that and no problem paying for a license. I need it as much as a CPU, so it's fine...

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

I don't want the cheaper versions or pirated versions of it.

It's just... too high still. If they lowered a bit, i wouldn't complain.

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

I understand. But I also know no matter what the price is someone would echo that same sentiment, whatever the price is it "should" be lower they'd complain. So, the price is the price I argue.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Look. I'm not saying to cheap out or to be free. They could just lower some few dollars/euros, i wouldn't complain.

I think it's a little overpriced. Of course, i can't overlook the work on the OS from Microsoft. I just think even for that, they are asking a little bit more.

I can pay to get a Windows10, no problem. But still i have an opinion about it... everyone has in fact. Only way that i would see dropping prices is if they had competition. Without it, they just can stamp any price they want.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Also don't forget Windows 10 is a service unlike past OS's according to MS and will be the "last" version of Windows. You are going to get more for your money compared to past OS's which had feature updates stop after 5 years and then security for 5 more.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

That's true. I forgot that point. At least they are stoping with the new OS versions and it's all going to be updates.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

There is a fair point to raise, and it does raise some questions about future Windows pricing. I am a bit skeptical that I'll be able to use my Windows7 license from 2009 until the end of time. MS is going to want some more money from me at some point I assume. But how that will evolve I'm not certain.

  • 3 months ago
  • 3 points

I never updated my OS but i heard that if i didn't changed my OS to windows 8, 8.1 or 10, i would lose my access to the internet.

No but using it online would be foolish since MS will stop releasing security patches for it.

You gonna need to upgrade your OS if you care about security.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

I know that security is compromised. But i think, i will be "safe", if i only visit websites that i know that are trustable and safe. With that said, i don't intend on exploring or visit online content that i never heard or trust.

It's still not safe but at least is something. XD I just stay out of dubious websites and do my normal website routine.

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Well all I can tell you there is human beings make mistakes and your security is entirely based on a human being always doing the right thing you don't really have security.

But I'm sure you'll always be safe with that scheme, until you make a mistake or a vulnerability is uncovered that's so severe that sort of security theater does nothing to protect you. I expect once support ends you're going to keep up on all the Windows news like clockwork and make rational decisions based on that news (well not the obvious one, upgrade your ancient OS to something current).

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

This. It will work until it doesn't and when it fails **** is going to hit the fan hard.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

I see. But is more probable, that my pc will die of other stuff than the lack of security, given the problems it gave me since day 1.

But yeah, when day comes, guess i will have to upgrade (if my laptop supports it, cause i have my doubts on that)

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Dying isn't the issue. It is security. Your login info for sites such as PCPP, banking info, etc could all be vulnerable. You could be part of a part of a bot net. There is all kind of malicious stuff that could happen to you when you stops getting security updates.

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Never heard of it unless you have some ancient hardware that is not supported or something. Some say you can still upgrade win7 for free using the 7 key, but it have not done it and don't know if it is an upgrade or full install that trashes your stuff. I have one on 7 yet I will have to do something because I upgraded the hardware and its working better than I thought it would so think it would run win10 just fine for casual uses, which is all its used for. There was an upgrade to win8 but lot of people just move to 10 now.

Don't feel bad I still run a vista machine sometimes, but its hardware cant do over 4gb mem or a SSD drive and its an OEM machine, so giving up on it and building new ryzen. Even if it could its an athlon x2 and marginal for win10. But it still browses ok, plays old games just fine.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

I don't think it's ancient, so i guess i'm fine for now.

But eventually, i will have to go for Windows 10, but right now, Microsoft is asking too much for it

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  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Use of Windows must be done with a legitimate product key.

Per Microsoft:

You are authorized to use this software only if you are properly licensed and the software has been properly activated with a genuine product key or by other authorized method.

For more information please see: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Useterms/Retail/Windows/10/UseTerms_Retail_Windows_10_English.htm

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

Quite the honor to have the staff answering me.

Thanks :) It will be helpful

  • 3 months ago
  • 2 points

Yeah no support: I don't use my vista for anything important or any unknown sites, and wont use it online at all soon. However its still rocking a big antivirus suite and I've never had a problem with it.

  • 3 months ago
  • 1 point

It's almost my case. Windows 7, with AVG antivirus (does a pretty nice work, tbh), only visit websites that i know that are safe and trustable, never exploring anything else.

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

when is the last time I called microsoft for support??? NEVER

people still use windows XP

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Same for me but with Windows 7.

Honestly, whenever i tried to get support from Microsoft, i always remember coming to a dead end.

  • 3 months ago
  • 0 points

no way!

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