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MARGIDO 3 months ago

About half a year ago or so I was here to get advice to build my first PC. I was a long time Mac user with little knowledge about building PCs. However, at a point where I had to upgrade my main workstation, upgrading to a iMac Pro certainly wasn't an option as I needed GPU power for Octane rendering. So I made the leap, with help from this site, I build the below PC myself, and I've been really happy with it. Took a while to get used to Windows, but then again, not too long. See the below specs of my current PC.

It's pretty fast and renders well. But, I need one more for my freelance work. Working off one machine has some risk factor as I often work on tight deadlines. And if let's say the current machine were to have problems, I would have a major problem on my hands.

So, I'd like to build one more PC! And, of course, when rendering / previewing in Cinema 4D (Octane), I want to use both PCs GPU power.

Although I built one, I'm no expert on the latest and I'm looking for some help again. My budget is around 10k USD so I assume I can get a beast this time. So I'd like some help. Again, this is purely for work and not gaming.

Initial requirements / ideas:

Use: - Cinema 4D / Octane / After Effects / Premiere / Music (Cubase Pro) - Not for gaming at all

Components: - 2-3 GPUs (initial idea was to get 2 x Nvidia Titan RTX?)

  • CPU: Not slower than my current one below, but of course, CPU isn't essential in 3D GPU work - so maybe not necessary? Probably Intel as it seems to work best with video editing etc?

  • Memory: 128GB

  • Motherboard: Obviously support 128GB ram. Don't want to save on motherboard. Needs to be solid.

  • Storage: 1TB M2 for system drive. + probably 4 TB in SSDs

  • Thunderbolt card (My music interface is connected with Thunderbolt for an Apollo Twin). If this limits the choice of a better motherboard, then I may consider getting a different music interface.

  • Software: Windows Pro (other software licenses isn't part of this build budget)

  • Case: Big in height. I was thinking maybe the Obsidian Series 1000D??

  • Cooling: I have no idea. Looking at watercooling gives me a heartattack in terms of building it... So I prefer not, but obviously, I want to make sure I keep it cool. I live in Hong Kong and a major part of the year, it's hot as hell. Of course, I use air-cons but still, its not a very cool environment.

The look: Performance is the most important, but of course, I'm in a nice studio and as a visual person, I still want it to look good. So as you can see on my build below, I do have some minimal RBG, and it generally looks pretty nice. But not over the top.

Other thoughts: I guess the biggest issue is deciding GPUs.. No expert but I get a bit confused about all the negative RTX talk, but most of that is based on gaming performance. I'm not going to use it for gaming. It seems the Titan RTX MIGHT be a killer for Octane but I can't find a lot of reviews or specs on it..

For ref, here's my recent build and the new PC will connect with this one for network rendering in Octane:

In addition I got a 38" Ultrawide from LG, Logitech Craft keyboard. Cubase Pro 10 + other software so my budget went up quite significantly.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i9-7980XE 2.6 GHz 18-Core Processor $1929.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler NZXT - Kraken X72 Liquid CPU Cooler $180.02 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock - X299 Taichi XE ATX LGA2066 Motherboard $291.98 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory -
Storage Crucial - MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $67.89 @ OutletPC
Storage Samsung - 970 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $167.99 @ Amazon
Storage Crucial - MX500 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $278.99 @ Amazon
Video Card EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB SC2 Video Card (2-Way SLI) $1399.99 @ Amazon
Video Card EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB SC2 Video Card (2-Way SLI) $1399.99 @ Amazon
Case Fractal Design - Define R6 Black TG ATX Mid Tower Case $161.65 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $189.89 @ OutletPC
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit $189.00 @ B&H
Other ASRock Add-On Card Model THUNDERBOLT 3 AIC $80.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $6387.38
Mail-in rebates -$50.00
Total $6337.38
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-13 22:22 EST-0500

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Crofter 5 Builds 2 points 3 months ago

This is a beast of a machine, you could question number of cores and reduce accordingly, but you have a motherboard with 2xTB3 rear ports and plenty of i/o. Also get a monster case with compartmental cooling, plenty of rear expansion slots to take 3 top of the line RTX cards, and added 2 additional 140mm quiet fans to allow system to breath. The motherboard has a decent pcie layout for 3 cards. Might be worth considering blower style cards, which are a little more expensive to save recycling hot air in case, though the cases combined exhaust fans will help. Added low latency 2800mhz ram, latency tends to be of higher importance than speed for you given tasks. See what you think.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i9-9980XE 3 GHz 18-Core Processor $1999.00 @ B&H
CPU Cooler Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler $89.95 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - X299 DESIGNARE EX ATX LGA2066 Motherboard $449.99 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory $429.99 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-2800 Memory $429.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung - 970 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $167.99 @ Amazon
Storage Crucial - MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $134.99 @ Amazon
Storage Crucial - MX500 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $279.99 @ B&H
Storage Crucial - MX500 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $279.99 @ B&H
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB AORUS Video Card (2-Way SLI) $1347.68 @ Newegg Business
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB AORUS Video Card (2-Way SLI) $1347.68 @ Newegg Business
Case Fractal Design - Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case $148.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 1300 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $141.99 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit $189.00 @ B&H
Case Fan Noctua - NF-P14s redux-1200 PWM 64.92 CFM 140mm Fan $14.95 @ Amazon
Case Fan Noctua - NF-P14s redux-1200 PWM 64.92 CFM 140mm Fan $14.95 @ Amazon
Other RTX 2080ti $1347.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $8814.79
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-14 07:01 EST-0500
Olympus_Systems 1 point 3 months ago

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Threadripper 2990WX 3 GHz 32-Core Processor $1649.99 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler Enermax - LIQTECH TR4 II 360 102.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $151.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard MSI - MEG X399 CREATION EATX TR4 Motherboard $534.49 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $454.99 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $454.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung - 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $247.99 @ Amazon
Storage Samsung - 860 Pro 4 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $994.98 @ Amazon
Video Card PNY - Quadro P6000 24 GB Video Card $4576.59 @ Amazon
Case Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $108.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $189.89 @ OutletPC
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit $124.79 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $9529.67
Mail-in rebates -$40.00
Total $9489.67
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-13 22:40 EST-0500

For a workstation I'd say go threadripper and quadro is pretty solid

MARGIDO submitter 1 point 3 months ago

Thank you!

In terms of the GPU, I suppose the Quadro P6000 is getting a little old? Reading up on the new RTX 6000, that could be a leap to take, but they are over 6k USD...

Wonder if 2x RTX 5000 with nvlink would be better than 1 x RTX 6000...

Crofter 5 Builds 1 point 3 months ago

Only caveat with this build is single core speed when utilising view port and low core count tasks and absence of Thunderbolt.

TheShadowGuy 1 point 3 months ago

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i7-9800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor $599.99 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $144.99 @ Newegg Business
Motherboard Gigabyte - X299 DESIGNARE EX ATX LGA2066 Motherboard $449.99 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 128 GB (8 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $1087.27 @ Amazon
Storage Samsung - 970 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $347.99 @ B&H
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 4 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $697.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Asus - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Turbo Video Card (2-Way SLI) $1404.98 @ Newegg Business
Video Card Asus - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Turbo Video Card (2-Way SLI) $1404.98 @ Newegg Business
Case Thermaltake - Core X71 Tempered Glass Edition ATX Full Tower Case $146.38 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 1300 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $129.89 @ OutletPC
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full 32/64-bit $189.00 @ B&H
External Storage Seagate - Backup Plus Hub 8 TB External Hard Drive $149.98 @ Amazon
Other Another Asus Turbo RTX 2080 ti $1404.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $8188.41
Mail-in rebates -$30.00
Total $8158.41
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-15 12:22 EST-0500
  • CPU: The 9800x is the fastest CPU (that supports 128GB of RAM, more PCIe lanes, and other HEDT features you will use) in Adobe AfterEffects due to its higher clock speeds. It also has 44 PCIe lanes to support the GPUs and NVMe SSD. Different music production software and the type of music made can change whether more cores or more clock speed is preferred; since you have a 7980XE, I figure this would be a good complement. Premiere's exports though will be slower on the 9800x than the 7980XE, but the tradeoff is much lower price and better AfterEffects performance.

  • GPUs: Blower cards for multi-GPU. You can fit three 2080 tis in the budget. Worth noting you can mix cards for Octane just fine if you wanted both systems to do renders and wanted to pick up another 2080 ti for the other system.

  • Cooler: It's a big AiO that could handle overclocking if you want. RGB and cool temps are the priority here.

  • Motherboard: This piece of kit has Thunderbolt 3 already, which was a key factor in its inclusion.

  • RAM: 128GB of RGB RAM at a good speed, all in one kit.

  • PSU: Excellent unit. You would spend almost twice as much for anything with a higher efficiency rating (which you don't really need) or wattage (although 1300W should be more than able to sustain this build overclocked comfortably, even if you start adding lots of extra fans and drives and run it hard for years).

  • Added an external hard drive for what I'd consider the bare minimum of backup solutions, since I'm assuming both builds will actually remain in use.

  • Case: I'm not as familiar with a lot of the big cases, so I added one that I think looks nice and has a mesh front.

  • There is extra room in the budget for case fans, such as Corsair's RGB fans and controller hub, depending on personal preference and whether you want RGB/low noise/etc.

  • I didn't include Titan RTX because it only performs about 9% faster than the 2080 tis for this workload, while being significantly more expensive. If you need more VRAM it is worth mentioning, however... assuming it comes in a blower style suitable for a multi-GPU setup so that its performance isn't crippled by being choked. For reference, the RTX6000 should have similar performance.

  • You gain very little benefit here by going Quadro, and the cost is quite exorbitant.

MARGIDO submitter 1 point 3 months ago

Thanks a lot for all the ideas guys. This input really got me thinking. I started leaning towards getting a RTX 6000 but after a lot of research into it, it seems to be not the best move. At least based on current version of Octane.

Also, as I'm in Hong Kong where it's quite warm, even with aircon.. I'm starting to think I may need watercooling.

My budget is about 10k or I can even go up slightly.

What if:

  • 4 x 2080ti 11GB
  • Watercooling

As for case, I would like tempered glass on one full side. So perhaps an Obsidian 1000D but I'm aware it is awfully big.

As for motherboard. I would like to have thunderbolt support, but if that requirement prevents me from far better choice, then I'm willing to give that up.

Regarding processor. With 'Rendergarden', it's possible to utilize all cores when rendering from After Effects, so in that sense, more cores is good. But that's during render and not during actual work. So faster core is probably more important than many.

THANKS!

MARGIDO submitter 1 point 3 months ago

What if I did something like this?

Missing here is watercooling/cooling, which I know little about.

This EVGA card seems good for watercooling? Not showing up on pcpartpicker though.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i9-9900X 3.5 GHz 10-Core Processor $999.99 @ B&H
Motherboard Gigabyte - X299 DESIGNARE EX ATX LGA2066 Motherboard $449.99 @ Amazon
Memory Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 128 GB (8 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $1069.99 @ Corsair
Storage Samsung - 970 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $347.99 @ B&H
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $327.99 @ Amazon
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $327.99 @ Amazon
Case Corsair - Obsidian Series 1000D ATX Full Tower Case $499.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - AX1500i 1500 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $449.89 @ OutletPC
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit $124.79 @ OutletPC
Other EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA HYDRO COPPER GAMING, 11G-P4-2489-KR, 11GB GDDR6, RGB LED & iCX2 Technology - 9 Thermal Sensors $1599.00
Other EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA HYDRO COPPER GAMING, 11G-P4-2489-KR, 11GB GDDR6, RGB LED & iCX2 Technology - 9 Thermal Sensors $1599.00
Other EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA HYDRO COPPER GAMING, 11G-P4-2489-KR, 11GB GDDR6, RGB LED & iCX2 Technology - 9 Thermal Sensors $1599.00
Other EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 ULTRA HYDRO COPPER GAMING, 11G-P4-2489-KR, 11GB GDDR6, RGB LED & iCX2 Technology - 9 Thermal Sensors $1599.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $11004.61
Mail-in rebates -$10.00
Total $10994.61
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-16 23:39 EST-0500
Crofter 5 Builds 1 point 3 months ago

Hi, having space for 4 GPUs is going to be a constraint I need to look into, even 3 GPUs is pushing it using the pcie slots as each card is typically 1.5/2 slots in size so you will need a 7 pcie slot board with good pcie layout to accommodate 3 cards, GPUs socketted in one pcie slot then covering the next in turn. You could use pcie risers cables to position GPUs away from the motherboard board, thinking mining rig set ups, so case options will be greatly reduced. A motherboard such as the Asus X299 Sage/10g has 7 pcie slots, though no back panel TB3 so you'll need a thunderbolt add in card which will use a pcie slot itself. Sadly a world of compromises.

Just to help clear up my understanding when you are talking water cooling. Do you mean closed loop coolers which are pre made and either for CPU come as an all in one (aio) solution such as a Corsair h115i, or GPU integrated water cooling, or a custom set up where you plumb it all in yourself?

MARGIDO submitter 1 point 3 months ago

Hi, thanks for your reply. Really appreciate your input.

In terms of cooling, I was specifically thinking of GPU integrated water cooling. Not being an expert on this, but based on my readings, with GPU water blocks, it's possible to keep multi-gpu setups nice and cool under heavy load vs getting hot and affecting performance, even with the blower gpus.

It's ok to share URL here? Hope I'm not breaking rules:

https://wccftech.com/ek-vector-rtx-2000-water-blocks-nvidia-geforce-rtx-20-series-cards/

Hence I found the EVGA hydro copper ones which seems to have it all built in: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=11G-P4-2489-KR

If I did water cooling for GPUs, would it make sense to extend water cooling to CPU or still use AIO cooler?

Regarding motherboard. Not sure which could handle 4. Would prefer avoiding riser cables if possible. I could give up thunderbolt I suppose. I could use the other workstation I have with the 7980xe and 2x 1080ti 11g.

Mind boggling stuff..

Dreadvolt 1 Build 1 point 3 months ago

Now I want a $10K USD desktop...

goes out to find sugar momma