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Update 9/4/2018 :

  • Added to the part list the two FD HP-14 fans and the FD HF-12 fan I had bought as a Christmas present for my father (hence the 0.00€ price) and added some (first 3) photos of the updated build! They are whisper quiet at low RPM and become audible only when they speed up. However, the stock cooler's fan is more annoying than all three fans going full speed... The reason I replaced the stock fans was their color (white) which didn't match the build's color scheme (blackish).

  • Removed bottom hard drive mount because it wasn't, isn't and is probably never going to be used.

  • Added FurMark GPU stress test screenshot after 30 minutes of full load on 1280x720 with 8x MSAA and the passively cooled GT 1030 reached a max. temperature of 82o C without dropping below 1632MHz on the core. Synthetic stress testing is probably the only way to reach such high temperatures on the GPU as prior to this test I had never seen anything above 80o C. It probably doesn't even reach 70o C but I haven't looked into it so far so I'm not sure.

Update 7/1/2018 :

  • Overclocked CPU to 3.5GHz @ 1.2V (did I win the silicon lottery?) and RAM to 2933MHz @ 1.2V with 15-17-17-35 timings. Max CPU temperature of 72 C with the stock cooler after three 4-hour runs of Prime95 with no crashes (4 hours in Small FTTs mode, 4 hours in blend mode and 4 hours with 2048Mb to 4096Mb FTTs ).

  • Added Cinebench R15 benchmark screenshot (Last picture) of the OC! Also added Cooler Master Devastator II mouse and keyboard with blue backlight and I finally moved the PC on a piece of furniture to prevent the PSU from sucking in dust, even though after 3 to 4 months of being on the carpet-like floor there was no dust on the bottom dust filter.

Update 30/10/2017 :

  • Added Cinebench R15 benchmark screenshot on stock frequencies!

Original Description :

Hello everyone, I'm new in the PC building community since it's been about 9 months that I have began searching for computer parts and scrolling through the completed builds in PCPP. Some builds I've seen have truly gotten me hooked to the PC Master Race as many call it. I personally have a gaming laptop because I'm a university student but that's another story.

I have been discussing with my father about how much better desktop PCs are versus laptops. So I had him convinced to make the change! We made a listing on a website like eBay (we don't have eBay here in Greece) to sell his laptop, a Toshiba Satellite Pro C850-1EQ, and if someone were to buy it I would build a desktop to replace it. In the first couple of months no possible buyers called. Until 2 weeks ago one person called but wanted a lower price. We settled at 280 Euros (we had it listed at 300 Euros). So there was my chance to build a PC on my own!

The goal was to make a PC that would last for a couple of years no matter what software evolution brings.

AMD Ryzen 5 1400 : Since AMD had launched their Ryzen processors and I have read many reviews suggesting that there was nothing wrong with them, I decided that they were ideal for my father's needs (web browsing). I could have gotten away with a Ryzen 3 chip but Ryzen 5 was so tempting since their core count is equivalent to Intel's i7 processors. I used the stock cooler and some Arctic MX-4 thermal paste. It doesn't go above 68 C during Prime95 stress testing.

Gigabyte GT 1030 Silent : It was chosen because my father doesn't do anything graphically demanding (I have, however, played a couple of games on Low or Mid settings with steady 60FPS) and wanted the PC to be as silent as possible, so the passively cooled card was chosen.

ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac : Motherboard was chosen for the on-board WiFi and the Mini-ITX form factor. Would have liked a couple more fan headers that would have been able to drive non-PWM fans because only one of the headers is capable of DC control. A color neutral design would have been more than welcome...

Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 : I know that 8GB of RAM is useless for Web Browsing but who cares? It's meant to be future-proof. Also, because Ryzen loves fast RAM I might overclock the RAM in the future, so I picked the 3000MHz kit.

Be Quiet! Pure Power 10 CM 400W : A fully modular PSU was a must for this build but I settled with a semi modular due to cost. The result however was awesome since none of the cables are visible and it's whisper quiet. It certainly lives up to its brand's name.

Samsung 850 EVO 250GB : The SSD was a must for the quick boot times and the EVO was on sale so it was a no-brainer. No regrets for not going for a cheaper and smaller SSD since I wanted long-lasing problem-free performance.

Fractal Design Define Nano S : I was going for the Node 202 since size was the main reason for the Mini-ITX build but once the laptop was sold the Node 202 was out of stock and it would take 2 weeks to get my hands on it. In the meantime the Nano S was on sale and I went with it. No regrets here, excellent build quality and easy cable management. Not to mention it has 2 included fans. They are not PWM but they are silent at low RPM.

My cable management skills are certainly not the best since I'm a beginner but the size of the case and the length of the PSU cables are not very helpful either. Anyway, the main goal was to make them almost invisible when looking inside the case and I think I have accomplished that so I'm happy with it.

Sorry for the very bright photos but I'm no professional, I took them with my phone and the sun was too damn bright at that time. Some of them however are pretty good. Right?

I have truly enjoyed building this PC even though I have had some pretty rough times with the thermal paste and the CPU but in the end everything was fine. My father is very happy with his new PC and I have once again gained his trust on computer stuff. I might add some more fans and maybe replace the CPU cooler with one that is completely silent. I will add some benchmark results soon as well as some temps for the GPU.

Feel free to ask anything you want and comment on anything. Just be polite. I am willing to help if I can. Thanks for reading!!

P.S. : The parts where bought from many stores all around Greece but I used the Italian version of PCPP to find them since it had all of them.

Part Reviews

CPU

Great processor with even better value for money. Doesn't go above 68 degrees Celsius during Prime 95 stress testing @ stock frequencies using the stock cooler and some Arctic MX-4 in an Mini-ITX case.

Update: Max CPU temperature is 72 C during during Prime 95 stress testing @ 3.5GHz with 1.2V core voltage (stock cooler, Arctic MX-4, Mini-ITX case).

Thermal Compound

Great product. Just don't freeze it, keep it in a cool and dry place instead and store it with the front end (where the paste comes out of) pointing down so that you won't have any moisture in it. Arctic support is pretty good I must admit.

Motherboard

Great board that has on-board WiFi. I would, however, have preferred a color neutral design and DC fan control to be supported on all case fan headers, not just one of the two. Other than that I have no complaints. The BIOS seems pretty easy to use.

Memory

It's RAM, I've had no problems with it so far. I haven't overclocked it yet though.

Update: I easily overclocked it to 2933MHz @ 1.2V with 15-17-17-35 timings on my Ryzen B350 motherboard! No crashes after three 4-hour runs of Prime95 (see the latest update of my build for more details).

Storage

Got it on sale. It's an SSD, it's fast and has enough space for a boot and application installation drive. No problems so far.

Video Card

It's silent and gets the job done. It can even run some games on Low/Mid settings. I have run Saints Row IV on medium settings and had 60FPS. No complaints so far.

Case

Looks good, has excellent build quality and easy cable management. Not to mention it has 2 included fans. They are not PWM but they are silent at low RPM.

Power Supply

Semi-modular PSU with great performance and price. It certainly lives up to its brand's name (it's very quiet). The only bad thing for me was the SATA power cable, 4 connectors on one SATA cable is kind of hard to manage and hide in a Mini-ITX case. No complaints other than that.

Operating System

Could have been better but it's Windows...

Comments

  • 26 months ago
  • 4 points

Way to take care of your dad.

Nice build. Your cable management looks great in the pictures.

Thumbs up.

  • 26 months ago
  • 2 points

I try my best! Thanks! I see you have some great Mini-ITX builds yourself!

  • 26 months ago
  • 3 points

Woah! You live in Greece! Cool! Nice build by the way. +1

  • 26 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks a lot! I saw you have a great build too. How is the Gigabyte GPU quality and performance?

  • 26 months ago
  • 2 points

Not bad actually! Thanks for asking. My build is my first, so I have no other GPU’s or motherboards to compare to, but they work all fine.

  • 26 months ago
  • 1 point

It's great to hear that all is well with your build because I have read some complaints on a forum about Gigabyte's build quality. They say that many Gigabyte GPUs have coil whine and some have bad quality fans (rattling etc.). I suppose that yours is ok. Right?

  • 26 months ago
  • 2 points

Yup. I experienced no coil whine nor rattling.

  • 26 months ago
  • 1 point

That's fantastic! Thanks for the info btw!

  • 26 months ago
  • 2 points

Nice build, I hope your dad will enjoy his upgrade and make good use of it.

I'm really intrested in your decision to go for the Ryzen 5(future proofing?). Seeing as am4 mobos are a lot more expensive than cheap LGA1151 mobos.

I tried to come up with a intel build. As going that route gives you a cheaper mobo and you don't have to use high speed ram (gotta hate the ram price increase).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Pentium G4600 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor $86.88 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock - H270M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard $95.39 @ OutletPC
Memory Crucial - Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $76.24 @ Newegg Marketplace
Storage Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $89.00
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce GT 1030 2GB Silent Low Profile Video Card $69.99 @ Amazon
Case Fractal Design - Define Nano S Mini ITX Desktop Case $75.90
Power Supply be quiet! - Pure Power 10 CM 400W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $69.50
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $562.90
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-23 18:04 EDT-0400

I know the pentium G4600 only has 2 cores, but you noting that your father does primarly web browsing I thought 2 cores might be enough.

Final thing, I have to say I'm not an expert and pretty new to this as well ^.

  • 26 months ago
  • 2 points

Consider OP is in Greece and prices and supply will differ.

  • 26 months ago
  • 1 point

That is certainly true. The G4600 costs about 90 Euros and the motherboard that @Qataeas mentions costs about 125 Euros. So, even those motherboards are expensive. However, B250 motherboards are a bit cheaper (you can however get one for 80 Euros but I doubt it will last much due to build quality so I don't take them under consideration) and have little to none difference form the more expensive H270 motherboards.

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

Yeah, prices are about 140-150% what I can get in the US. I used an Asus B150i board earlier this year (sold that PC) and loved it. Going back I should have sprung for an H270i for a few features but overall the B series was solid.

  • 26 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks a lot! He certainly enjoys it.

I too had considered the G4560 and G4600 and their low cost but it seems that many applications benefit from higher core counts. But my father tends to open many tabs at the same time and from my experience things might get sluggish if you have a 2C/4T CPU. Other than that, OSes and many other applications tend to get more and more demanding over time and I wanted this PC to last for a couple of years. A by saying "a couple" I mean more than the average laptop that gets sluggish after 2-4 years. Beyond that, I have read that AMD tends to hold on to their CPU sockets for a while, on the contrary to Intel that has "managed" (cough they did it on purpose) to make 8th gen Core CPUs not work on Z170, Z270 etc motherboard chipsets. So Intel loses one more point. Also, you can overclock the Ryzen CPUs without an unlocked chip because all of them are unlocked and the overclocking motherboards don't cost a fortune. And last but not least, I wanted to support AMD for forcing Intel to make better products. And, yes, that is the first time I and my family have owned an AMD product.

The only real reason to go for an Intel CPU, in this case, is to get the extra performance from the pro Intel optimizations that most games have. But I'm not sure that comparing an AMD 4C/8T to an Intel 2C/4T CPU in gaming is fare as the 4-core has an obvious advantage though I'm not so sure.

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

That's some good reasoning, you definetly spend more time researching than I did.

And indeed there years where AMD was behind has gone by, but those years have made Intel cocky.

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

In the past couple of months I have spent all of my free time researching as much as I could because I wanted to be sure about what I was going to do.

Well, Intel might still have an advantage over AMD when I comes to performance but AMD's performance to price ratio is truly a dream. Intel's cockiness was what got me researching into AMD and their products.

My logic is pretty simple, I buy products that have good quality, match my performance needs and don't cost way more than they should.

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

There will always be second thoughts or a better deal around the corner. Best thing is to recognize what you want vs need and budget accordingly. In this case you seemed to match the use case and budget well enough.

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

Exactly, I haven't regretted any of the part choices and my father is very happy with it!

  • 26 months ago
  • 2 points

That heatsink on the GPU tho..

  • 26 months ago
  • 2 points

It's kinda ugly but it gets the job done and it's (obviously) 100% silent.

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

I like the aggressive look of it.

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

I would have preferred it in black. That's my only complaint...

  • 26 months ago
  • 2 points

Nice, my dad was using a gifted apple laptop from 2007 that took half a day to open up any application lol. Now that he's on his new PC, he cant believe it took him so long to get a newer computer.

I wish ryzen was around when building his PC.

  • 26 months ago
  • 1 point

Well, one way or another hardware gets old and will have to be replaced. So by that time there will certainly be something better than Ryzen and/or every other CPU in the market today. I personally care more about the "thrill" of the building process and planning rather than having the top notch hardware. If it gets the job done and your father is happy with it, then don't sweat it.

To be honest I have seen your builds in the past and I remember that eye catching title and PC you build for your father. Great looking build indeed.

Yours is also a great build, must have great performance too! One question though, how is that Asus Turbo GTX 1070 you have ? Is the cooler fine or would you have rather bought a non-blower-style card ? I'm asking because I was thinking of building a PC with the Asus Turbo GTX 1060.

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

I just wanted those Ryzen 3 prices for a 4 core and it would be an excuse to get a similar gpu to fill the pcie void ;P slim Pickens for itx though. The Asus variant won’t be out for my sisters build, so intel again lol.

Thanks! Yeah I like it. Bitwit did a video demonstrating open air vs blower gpu in the Nano s. What he found was the performance was the same. Can’t remember acoustics, think the blower won that too, but the CPU temps for his air cooler went up by 5c or something when using the open air gpu. So yeah I would get it again.

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

If I understood correctly what you said, I think I've seen a passive GT 1030 from Asus called Gt 1030 LP Silent and it has an even uglier design compared to Gigabyte's. There also is an actively cooled Asus GT 1030.

Great! Thanks for the info!

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

Very nice. I don't think 8GB of RAM is overkill at all. That allows for having plenty of tabs open which will be super nice for him, I bet.

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks! I got 8GB of RAM mainly to future-proof the PC but that's another great point you have there!

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

Please tell me about ram. It works at 3000 mhz or not ? but for this u need a latest bios ))

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

I have the latest BIOS but I had no time to overclock the RAM and right now the PC is 7-8 hours away from me (another town). So I'm sorry but I won't be able to answer your question until Christmas.

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

Thank u for answer anyway Have a nice day ;)

  • 23 months ago
  • 1 point

I guess that you have already made your purchase but today I managed to overclock the RAM to 2933MHz @ 1.2V. Better late than never, I guess? :P

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

please dont put that poor pc on the carpet, put it on a shelf, in a shelf, on a desk, even on some pc risers... you dont want your pc to become an expensive vacuum cleaner

  • 25 months ago
  • 1 point

I thought of that too but it has a dust filter on the bottom side. Are you sure it's going to have dust problems?

  • 25 months ago
  • 2 points

well im just worried that the amount of dust that will build up on the bottom, some of it will actually get through the filter. also you should clean the filter often if you leave it on the carpet, i would recommend just getting a small pc riser but its up to you

  • 24 months ago
  • 2 points

Get a passive CPU cooler and the thing is almost dead silent

Anyway looks great and way to treat your dad :)

  • 24 months ago
  • 1 point

Well, I've been thinking about that for a while but I just can't find one with a decent price...

Thank you for your kind words!

  • 20 months ago
  • 1 point

Linus tech tips made a video on Ryzen going passive cooled. The cooler was huge and ugly but it would support a 1400 just fine.

  • 24 months ago
  • 2 points

I would by a second gp-14 and like a noctua l9i to make it like completely silent

  • 24 months ago
  • 1 point

I will do something like this at some point...

  • 22 months ago
  • 2 points

Well done!

  • 22 months ago
  • 2 points

Thank you!

  • 20 months ago
  • 2 points

Wow this card performs VERY close to a GTX 750 ti. Also how hot does the GPU run?

  • 20 months ago
  • 1 point

I stress tested it ( just for you :P ) with FurMark on 1280x720 with 8x MSAA and it topped out at 82o C after 30 minutes (see the last picture I just added). However, I have tested a couple of games on it (on sub-1080p resolution due to the old monitor it is connected to) and it certainly didn't reach 80o C so I'd say it doesn't run any hot at all. On idle it's somewhere between 35o to 45o C.

For 1080p gaming I would suggest going with (at least) a GTX 1050 Ti 4GB or a GTX 1050 2GB.

  • 20 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks. That’s a little hot (in my opinion). I was thinking of using this in a hackintosh build, but I have decided if I were to, I would use a Ryzen 5 2400G. Edit. I may still use this if my dad wants to go Intel, but I would definitely mod this card with a fan. 80C is just too hot for my comfort.

  • 20 months ago
  • 1 point

It reaches 82o C only with the synthetic stress test. FurMark can pretty much bake a GPU with bad cooling so I'd say that 82o C for a passively cooled GPU with such a compact heat-sink is pretty well performing.

Under normal use for an office PC (e.g. internet browsing or YouTube video watching) it never even comes close to 80o C. After all, it's not a gaming-oriented GPU as it's a GT series one.

P.S. : I wouldn't recommend a passively cooled GPU for a case with no airflow.